Ryanair DEC
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: UK
Ryanair- the airline that gives more and more young pilots who have dreamed about getting into the cockpit of a commercial aircraft a chance!! Yes its expensive, and yes you work alot- but lets be fair you get to fly, and what an opportunity for alot of people!
Here we go again
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
From: Sweden
How about answering his question and keep your unnecessary and non-requested opinions to yourself! If you want to bad mouth MOL find another link-there are plenty of them. I am sure if Jumpy737 is looking to jump ship he has done some research and isn't the idiot that you make him out to be. Just answer the guys question!
-GC
-GC
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 217
Likes: 0
From: Various
O.K. jumpy - the direct answer is that they do indeed take DECs.
The warnings are equally correct. There are loads of warnings in different threads on this site, which you really should read with care.
However, while Ryanair are doing a good job of keeping it quiet, they are increasingly short of pilots and, for example, are currently cancelling leave for pilots in Stansted, etc. So, you might be able to get yourself a good deal (which they will change - reduce - when they can).
For example, according to the REPA site, they are still doing their "reduce pilot cost thing" at, for example, the new Liverpool base where they have apparently reduced pilots salaries (quietly) in line with the "local cost of living index"! So, never forget, all is not what it seems in Ryanair!!! As they are being caught out at this game, they might change their minds.
So, in summary, make sure you see your contract before you start (harder to do than you might think). I wish you Good Luck, since everyone in Ryanair needs a bit of that.
The warnings are equally correct. There are loads of warnings in different threads on this site, which you really should read with care.
However, while Ryanair are doing a good job of keeping it quiet, they are increasingly short of pilots and, for example, are currently cancelling leave for pilots in Stansted, etc. So, you might be able to get yourself a good deal (which they will change - reduce - when they can).
For example, according to the REPA site, they are still doing their "reduce pilot cost thing" at, for example, the new Liverpool base where they have apparently reduced pilots salaries (quietly) in line with the "local cost of living index"! So, never forget, all is not what it seems in Ryanair!!! As they are being caught out at this game, they might change their minds.
So, in summary, make sure you see your contract before you start (harder to do than you might think). I wish you Good Luck, since everyone in Ryanair needs a bit of that.
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 493
Likes: 0
From: All over the show like a madwomans crap
oh gee, so sorry
Flame, if GV can't see how bad FR is, then he'll need surgery to remove it cause it'll be that far up. Don't you thinks its a naive statement, to say the least?
Great Circle, FR and MOL are intrisincally linked, and so is their appalling manner of treating staff. Any FR thread is fair game, if only to warn those who would even consider working for them.
Jumpy, do your homework, and then don't do it.
Nosey
Great Circle, FR and MOL are intrisincally linked, and so is their appalling manner of treating staff. Any FR thread is fair game, if only to warn those who would even consider working for them.
Jumpy, do your homework, and then don't do it.
Nosey
Guest
Posts: n/a
Actually, to be honest, GV has a point.
I reckon most of the people working there to stay until pension.
It gives ab-initios hours and experienced FOs the chance of PIC hours within the foreseeable future.
If now all airlines would stop to require 500-1500 hrs jet, the malpractice will stop.
Till then: take it as it is, since there is no serious alternative...
If I would be a 0 hour guy, I'd pay as well, if that would be the only job around...
just my € 0,02...
I reckon most of the people working there to stay until pension.
It gives ab-initios hours and experienced FOs the chance of PIC hours within the foreseeable future.
If now all airlines would stop to require 500-1500 hrs jet, the malpractice will stop.
Till then: take it as it is, since there is no serious alternative...
If I would be a 0 hour guy, I'd pay as well, if that would be the only job around...
just my € 0,02...
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
From: One hump; two if you're pretty.
Welcome aboard, Jumpy.
Hello Jumpy,
I apologise on behalf of Nosegear. A frustrated teen, no-doubt, who thoroughly enjoys jumping down the throat of any who express a positive impression or, God forbid, admiration of Ryanair. All the more curious since Nosegear claims she's in Hong Kong! Hard to imagine why she's got her panties in such a bunch from so far away. Failed applicant, probably. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
I'm a DEC, made 80 kiloquid last year and find the company to be a demanding and very safe operation. With the recent announcement of 70 more confirmed -800 purchases with options on 70 more, there'll be plenty of opportunities.
Good Luck.
I apologise on behalf of Nosegear. A frustrated teen, no-doubt, who thoroughly enjoys jumping down the throat of any who express a positive impression or, God forbid, admiration of Ryanair. All the more curious since Nosegear claims she's in Hong Kong! Hard to imagine why she's got her panties in such a bunch from so far away. Failed applicant, probably. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
I'm a DEC, made 80 kiloquid last year and find the company to be a demanding and very safe operation. With the recent announcement of 70 more confirmed -800 purchases with options on 70 more, there'll be plenty of opportunities.
Good Luck.
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 329
Likes: 0
From: Blighty - On secondment
I agree that RYR reputation here is a bit tainted but I know a number of colleagues working with them and they are all happy with the organisation.
Ryanair are a part of Europe's aviation future. The current market allows them to offer the T&Cs they do. If you are the type of employee who is expecting and engraved chocolate Easter egg in your pigeon hole next month from MOL then Ryanair is not the organisation for you.
Give them a call and see what they are offering, I believe from my mates working there that they are pretty desperate for DECs so go for it and best of luck mate!
Ryanair are a part of Europe's aviation future. The current market allows them to offer the T&Cs they do. If you are the type of employee who is expecting and engraved chocolate Easter egg in your pigeon hole next month from MOL then Ryanair is not the organisation for you.
Give them a call and see what they are offering, I believe from my mates working there that they are pretty desperate for DECs so go for it and best of luck mate!
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: Europe
Leo Hairy Camel is an anagram for Michael O Leary CEO Ryanair if you didnt know. Hence the very upbeat reply.
There is big trouble with the pilot workforce in Dublin, court cases in the offing.
The Captains in Stansted are having leave taken off them even though previously approved by the company and they have holidays booked etc etc.
MOL isnt a DEC !!! Neither is Leo Hairy Camel !!! The terms he quotes are for Stansted based full time captains, you would be a contractor as shown buy his link.
You would pay your own accomodation and hotels and be based anywhere at the airlines whim. Youe pay £50 to apply, and whatever the going rate is for training. You pay your own simulator recurrency, your own transport to the sim. You pay for your own medicals, your own Tea, Coffee, Water and meals. Any contract you recieve is as good as worthless since they change it at will with no recourse. The list goes on......
Be VERY VERY careful the stories you hear ARE TRUE, I know!
There is big trouble with the pilot workforce in Dublin, court cases in the offing.
The Captains in Stansted are having leave taken off them even though previously approved by the company and they have holidays booked etc etc.
MOL isnt a DEC !!! Neither is Leo Hairy Camel !!! The terms he quotes are for Stansted based full time captains, you would be a contractor as shown buy his link.
You would pay your own accomodation and hotels and be based anywhere at the airlines whim. Youe pay £50 to apply, and whatever the going rate is for training. You pay your own simulator recurrency, your own transport to the sim. You pay for your own medicals, your own Tea, Coffee, Water and meals. Any contract you recieve is as good as worthless since they change it at will with no recourse. The list goes on......
Be VERY VERY careful the stories you hear ARE TRUE, I know!
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: United Kingdom
what is truth
jumpy,
sorry you had to land in the midst of all this rhobust confusion and hubus...
the truth about ryanair is you do lots of hours each month, you are hom every night, and the salary is fairly high compared to other airlines...its average compared to many LOCO outfits...
however, current conditions are bad, morale is non-existant, and much of the workforce is looking for a way out as soon as they can...
current entry's are already on the lookout for other job opportunities, and see RYR only as a 'stopover' for no more than a year...
permanent FO are here for the short run... 3,000 hours, captaincy, then run...fast as you can...
there is no protection for the deterioration of your conditions other than to play hard-ball...a very valid comment was made along these lines, if you play your cards right...
barter with them, its the only way they listen...
under the current shortage conditions, theyll be forced to meet your demands, just jump in on them early in the flurry of hap-hazard training and 'basing' and keep your eyes out for better opportunities...
also do the maths...the salary you get is more likely to be around GBP 50,000 per annum, nothing (AND I MEAN NOTHING!!!!) included...so work out the deductions for uniform, ID passes, medicals, Loss of license, pension fund, everything down to drinking coffee and meals...
If you join us, you will be welcomed aboard...the one saving grace about ryanair is the hope and humanity which exists amongst the staff, and the staff alone...
sorry you had to land in the midst of all this rhobust confusion and hubus...
the truth about ryanair is you do lots of hours each month, you are hom every night, and the salary is fairly high compared to other airlines...its average compared to many LOCO outfits...
however, current conditions are bad, morale is non-existant, and much of the workforce is looking for a way out as soon as they can...
current entry's are already on the lookout for other job opportunities, and see RYR only as a 'stopover' for no more than a year...
permanent FO are here for the short run... 3,000 hours, captaincy, then run...fast as you can...
there is no protection for the deterioration of your conditions other than to play hard-ball...a very valid comment was made along these lines, if you play your cards right...
barter with them, its the only way they listen...
under the current shortage conditions, theyll be forced to meet your demands, just jump in on them early in the flurry of hap-hazard training and 'basing' and keep your eyes out for better opportunities...
also do the maths...the salary you get is more likely to be around GBP 50,000 per annum, nothing (AND I MEAN NOTHING!!!!) included...so work out the deductions for uniform, ID passes, medicals, Loss of license, pension fund, everything down to drinking coffee and meals...
If you join us, you will be welcomed aboard...the one saving grace about ryanair is the hope and humanity which exists amongst the staff, and the staff alone...
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 493
Likes: 0
From: All over the show like a madwomans crap
Flame, you're quite right, and I apologise to you and GV for my comments.
Ahh, LeoHairyCamel-Ozi Turret, the old "must be a failed applicant, so obviously bitter" routine. I see that even though you have changed your nome-de-plume you have not changed your manners, name calling and belittling other posters to name but a few. Let me assure you, I am no FR rejected teen, and I am happy for the moderators to confirm that my IP address is in Hong Kong.
You might note there Mr MOL, that I have apologized for my statements earlier, I don't need you to do it for me. You might consider an apology yourself for your appaling comments on pilots and their relation to terrorists? Or are you not man enough? Maybe need someone else to do it for you?
Anyone considering working for FR needs to know how you "value" your staff, and not just the pilots but all the staff. You don't see many, if any, other airlines constantly in the news and in the courts as a result of their labour relations. Funny how you always fail to mention that.
I await your next attack with "girlish" anticipation.
Ahh, LeoHairyCamel-Ozi Turret, the old "must be a failed applicant, so obviously bitter" routine. I see that even though you have changed your nome-de-plume you have not changed your manners, name calling and belittling other posters to name but a few. Let me assure you, I am no FR rejected teen, and I am happy for the moderators to confirm that my IP address is in Hong Kong.
You might note there Mr MOL, that I have apologized for my statements earlier, I don't need you to do it for me. You might consider an apology yourself for your appaling comments on pilots and their relation to terrorists? Or are you not man enough? Maybe need someone else to do it for you?
Anyone considering working for FR needs to know how you "value" your staff, and not just the pilots but all the staff. You don't see many, if any, other airlines constantly in the news and in the courts as a result of their labour relations. Funny how you always fail to mention that.
I await your next attack with "girlish" anticipation.
