Ryanair contract terms
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Ryanair contract terms
Can anyone, please give me some information about conditions of contract with Ryanair through Brookfied Aviation.
I understand that you only get paid for block hours worked at about 65 euros FO and 114 CAPT but what happend when you work out of your base. Do they pay for transport, hotels, etc ?
Does anyone knows how many hours I am expected to work a year ?
How do you pay taxes?
And what bases could you expect
Many thanks in advance but I am not a low hour pilot and quite frankly I don´t know if I should give up my current job and work for this lot as the salary and conditions doesn´t really look that good.
I understand that you only get paid for block hours worked at about 65 euros FO and 114 CAPT but what happend when you work out of your base. Do they pay for transport, hotels, etc ?
Does anyone knows how many hours I am expected to work a year ?
How do you pay taxes?
And what bases could you expect
Many thanks in advance but I am not a low hour pilot and quite frankly I don´t know if I should give up my current job and work for this lot as the salary and conditions doesn´t really look that good.
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What I know is that in Ryanair's page they offer €85 for an F/O and €134 for a Captain (block hours).
Furthermore, you still have to pay the sim assesments, accomodation and flights to get there. You have to pay for the type rating which is over €20,000 plus accomodattion, once again. Your are talking a total of just over €30,000
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The guys at Ryanair, doing the same job, are far better off.
So, who is milking all this money???
Furthermore, you still have to pay the sim assesments, accomodation and flights to get there. You have to pay for the type rating which is over €20,000 plus accomodattion, once again. Your are talking a total of just over €30,000
.The guys at Ryanair, doing the same job, are far better off.
So, who is milking all this money???
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The pay rates for contract crew are outlined on the Ryanair website and that is all you get. As a contractor, you do not have a base and as such operate from wherever they need you on a 5 on 5 off roster, totalling 900 hours/year.
For example, you may operate from Prestwick for 5 days, then Skavsta, then Hahn, etc. (I'm sure you get the picture). You will likely operate from Stansted, Prestwick, Charleroi, Hahn, Bergamo, Ciampino, Skavsta and Girona (all -800 bases).
Although you don't have a fixed base, you can ask for a preferred base and you will operate from there as much as possible.
It is your own responsibility to sort out taxes, etc. but assistance is there should you need it. Accommodation, transport, etc. won't be paid for either.
Every single contract pilot I have flown with is extremely happy with this setup and now there are even existing Ryanair pilots going on contract.
Hope it helps
For example, you may operate from Prestwick for 5 days, then Skavsta, then Hahn, etc. (I'm sure you get the picture). You will likely operate from Stansted, Prestwick, Charleroi, Hahn, Bergamo, Ciampino, Skavsta and Girona (all -800 bases).
Although you don't have a fixed base, you can ask for a preferred base and you will operate from there as much as possible.
It is your own responsibility to sort out taxes, etc. but assistance is there should you need it. Accommodation, transport, etc. won't be paid for either.
Every single contract pilot I have flown with is extremely happy with this setup and now there are even existing Ryanair pilots going on contract.
Hope it helps
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As long as you are rostered and not ill it is a nice set up. If you get ill or there are sufficient employed drivers the pay goes down a bit. The 5 on 5 is appealing to a lot of our employed drivers from abroad!
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Every single contract pilot I have flown with is extremely happy with this setup and now there are even existing Ryanair pilots going on contract.
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I'm surprised by your statement that the salary and conditions don't look that good. I suspect that you have misunderstood the terms and conditions.
Ryanair contract pilots are amongst the highest paid in the industry, within the EU, albeit they do have to work hard to earn that 'top money'.
The Ryanair system allows them to work that hard so that they can earn the money, unlike many other airlines that don't give their pilots the opportunity to work that hard to earn similar money.
Now, if you are a current 20 year Captain on the B747-400 with BA, then probably you wouldn't jump ship to work for Ryanair, but then again you probably couldn't match your 'package' anywhere else these days! The old days of Cathay Scale A with provident fund etc dissapeared a long time back.
Working on contract with Ryanair means that you pay your own expenses; they pay you more money than you will earn elsewhere and you pay your own expenses. Funny old thing that is; give a pilot the choice; 4/5 star hotel or the money? If he is contractualy entitled for the 4/5 star hotel he will kick and scream to get it. Give him the money instead, he will probably choose to sleep in a kennel outside with the local mastiff!
'You pays your money, you takes your choice'
Cb
I'm surprised by your statement that the salary and conditions don't look that good. I suspect that you have misunderstood the terms and conditions.
Ryanair contract pilots are amongst the highest paid in the industry, within the EU, albeit they do have to work hard to earn that 'top money'.
The Ryanair system allows them to work that hard so that they can earn the money, unlike many other airlines that don't give their pilots the opportunity to work that hard to earn similar money.
Now, if you are a current 20 year Captain on the B747-400 with BA, then probably you wouldn't jump ship to work for Ryanair, but then again you probably couldn't match your 'package' anywhere else these days! The old days of Cathay Scale A with provident fund etc dissapeared a long time back.
Working on contract with Ryanair means that you pay your own expenses; they pay you more money than you will earn elsewhere and you pay your own expenses. Funny old thing that is; give a pilot the choice; 4/5 star hotel or the money? If he is contractualy entitled for the 4/5 star hotel he will kick and scream to get it. Give him the money instead, he will probably choose to sleep in a kennel outside with the local mastiff!
'You pays your money, you takes your choice'
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Even if you were incredibly thick enough to misunderstand the contract 'terms and conditions' at Ryanair , it doesnt matter because contracts don't seem to be worth a damn to O'Leary.
Do they guarantee the high hours?
What if you get Flu?
What if the jets get grounded as per the 732?
Five on Five off...Guaranteed?
etc...etc..
Ryanair used to be a good deal, not any more.
Even if you were incredibly thick enough to misunderstand the contract 'terms and conditions' at Ryanair , it doesnt matter because contracts don't seem to be worth a damn to O'Leary.
Do they guarantee the high hours?
What if you get Flu?
What if the jets get grounded as per the 732?
Five on Five off...Guaranteed?
etc...etc..
Ryanair used to be a good deal, not any more.
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You can take the contract and the money you earn is enough to
pay a insurance for income protection, the tax, the commuting,
the hotel where you stay during duty period, the higher expense
for meals and and and. If You are realisic to consider this in the
calculation then you will see what you really earn.
You fly 900 hrs per year if you do not get sick and if you are
allways available for duty. That gives you about 10.000 EURO per
month. Then deduct the amount you pay for health insurance, for
retirement savings, for commuting, for the accomodation, for the
expense on meals, for the use of mobile phone roaming to call
the OPS, when you are elsewhere. If you want to play it safe you
pay tax AFTER deduction from the amount of expenses and then
it depends where you are resident/taxpayer you can only betray
yourself by finding you earning NET more money then in other
cockpits. It depends what is important for you. Consider what is
your goal and target. Then you can go for that contract. During
Ryanair contract you organize everything what the admin would
do for you in a normal airline. They make the Hotel reservation
for you, they schedule and pay the transportation to from and
to the airport. They administer the transportation to and from
another base. In Ryanair you do that all for you. That is why you
get the 134 EURO per block hour. For an LLC it is cheaper as
they have no follow up costs in doing that for the crews. They
would need more people work in the office to do this job. So
by giving you the money the giving you as well the responsibility
for it and they have a lean calculation. They do not have the risk
that somebody calls in sick. The person in charge of dealing with
this issue has to be replaced. They do not have to pay the sick
person and have somebody else to do the work. It is a question
of how a company is structured. The LCC has to be lean as much
as possible in all areas. Only on the back of all the people who
work there you are able to run the continues profitable succes.
Under contract the only one who is looking after you is YOU!.
After 10 years under various contracts I have seen a lot of
bullocks on paper what lookes good and is worth the same as
the paper to your right side when you sitting on the toilet, after
you used that paper......
Sorry about the extense posting but I hope it is worth to read.
NG
pay a insurance for income protection, the tax, the commuting,
the hotel where you stay during duty period, the higher expense
for meals and and and. If You are realisic to consider this in the
calculation then you will see what you really earn.
You fly 900 hrs per year if you do not get sick and if you are
allways available for duty. That gives you about 10.000 EURO per
month. Then deduct the amount you pay for health insurance, for
retirement savings, for commuting, for the accomodation, for the
expense on meals, for the use of mobile phone roaming to call
the OPS, when you are elsewhere. If you want to play it safe you
pay tax AFTER deduction from the amount of expenses and then
it depends where you are resident/taxpayer you can only betray
yourself by finding you earning NET more money then in other
cockpits. It depends what is important for you. Consider what is
your goal and target. Then you can go for that contract. During
Ryanair contract you organize everything what the admin would
do for you in a normal airline. They make the Hotel reservation
for you, they schedule and pay the transportation to from and
to the airport. They administer the transportation to and from
another base. In Ryanair you do that all for you. That is why you
get the 134 EURO per block hour. For an LLC it is cheaper as
they have no follow up costs in doing that for the crews. They
would need more people work in the office to do this job. So
by giving you the money the giving you as well the responsibility
for it and they have a lean calculation. They do not have the risk
that somebody calls in sick. The person in charge of dealing with
this issue has to be replaced. They do not have to pay the sick
person and have somebody else to do the work. It is a question
of how a company is structured. The LCC has to be lean as much
as possible in all areas. Only on the back of all the people who
work there you are able to run the continues profitable succes.
Under contract the only one who is looking after you is YOU!.
After 10 years under various contracts I have seen a lot of
bullocks on paper what lookes good and is worth the same as
the paper to your right side when you sitting on the toilet, after
you used that paper......
Sorry about the extense posting but I hope it is worth to read.
NG
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and don't forget, you will be bonded for every checkflight as well. And if you need to park a car somewhere you will have to pay the ticket also.
There is much more involved as it may appear on first glance.
CB, you know very well how to "force" contractors to stick to FR ideas, the sentence: Ryanair does not take prisoners has spread fast and the statement that the only action FR has to take to get rid of a contractor is to stop rostering him, as he cannot do anything against this, is no news.
There is much more involved as it may appear on first glance.
CB, you know very well how to "force" contractors to stick to FR ideas, the sentence: Ryanair does not take prisoners has spread fast and the statement that the only action FR has to take to get rid of a contractor is to stop rostering him, as he cannot do anything against this, is no news.
