BA recruiting DEPs in 2004?
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BA recruiting DEPs in 2004?
I've seen this thread in the Wannabes/Interviews Jobs & Sponsorships forums, and wondered if those a little closer to the coalface were in a position to comment?
To save unnecessary visits to the kindergarten, the essence of the rumour is that approximately 100-150 pilots are required for A321/B777, preferably type-rated and with 2500 hours or so.
To save unnecessary visits to the kindergarten, the essence of the rumour is that approximately 100-150 pilots are required for A321/B777, preferably type-rated and with 2500 hours or so.
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They also announced at the recent Flyer show that they were going to recruit sometime this year, for various fleets, B777 and A320. I think they said initially they were looking for type rated people and then working down from there.
Still nothing on their website though - you can register your interest there.
Still nothing on their website though - you can register your interest there.
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BA will be around 50 pilots short on the Airbus this autumn when the A321 arrives and in this years annual bid nobody would touch the 777 with a very long barge pole so draw your own conclusions where the vacancies will be!
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Could anyone give us a clue as to what life style we can expect at the very bottom of the seniority bid list for the Airbus and B777 fleet.
Would it be fair to say that most flights would cover the weekends when your're so junior?
On short haul, how long would it take to get to point where you could bid for trips that had you home most nights?
How much time off on the two fleets?
What destinations could you expect to spend most of your time flying to on the B777?
Would it be fair to say that most flights would cover the weekends when your're so junior?
On short haul, how long would it take to get to point where you could bid for trips that had you home most nights?
How much time off on the two fleets?
What destinations could you expect to spend most of your time flying to on the B777?
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Bottom of 777 would entail normally 4 transatlantic or Middle East trips per month sometimes 5 if short trips. There is talk of introducing seeded blind lines as on 400, which would enable more junior pilots to bid for one nice trip per month. Otherwise on seeded blind lines you can request certain days or weekends off or certain destinations.
On short haul you would get mixture of single and multi day trips as everyone wants something different. Would again be blind lines, with ability to request same as on 777. Airbus European route network second to none, with nightstops in most destinations.
Hope it helps.
On short haul you would get mixture of single and multi day trips as everyone wants something different. Would again be blind lines, with ability to request same as on 777. Airbus European route network second to none, with nightstops in most destinations.
Hope it helps.
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For newcomers on the "Schoolbus", the lifestyle is typically 2/3/4 tours to any European/UK destination, generally over the weekends with 12/13 days off per month.
On the 777, newbies will no doubt find a significant amount of hot destinations in the Summer (ABV, CAI, DAC, KWI, RUH, JED, TLV) and North American (ATL, DEN, EWR. YUL etc) in the Winter! Again mostly weekend work with about 13/14 days off per month. Not sure how frequently you could expect a reserve block (28 days).
Suggest you send a private email to NOD, who contributes regularly on this forum, and has this sort of information at his finger tips!
For newcomers on the "Schoolbus", the lifestyle is typically 2/3/4 tours to any European/UK destination, generally over the weekends with 12/13 days off per month.
On the 777, newbies will no doubt find a significant amount of hot destinations in the Summer (ABV, CAI, DAC, KWI, RUH, JED, TLV) and North American (ATL, DEN, EWR. YUL etc) in the Winter! Again mostly weekend work with about 13/14 days off per month. Not sure how frequently you could expect a reserve block (28 days).
Suggest you send a private email to NOD, who contributes regularly on this forum, and has this sort of information at his finger tips!
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Hi,
I see junior guys generally work weekends, but how many or what percentage of weekends per year would they work?
How long would it take to have more control over your roster with regards to seniority?
Also, if they want weekend/time off for birthdays, weddings etc...then would they get that time off as I heard they have 6 weeks leave.
Thanks.
I see junior guys generally work weekends, but how many or what percentage of weekends per year would they work?
How long would it take to have more control over your roster with regards to seniority?
Also, if they want weekend/time off for birthdays, weddings etc...then would they get that time off as I heard they have 6 weeks leave.
Thanks.
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Not quite. At the bottom of the pile on the triple expect five or six trans-Atlantics and not being able to make CAP. However as a blind line holder which is the most probable scenario, you are CAP protected (CAP being the monthly amount of work you must achieve, or your basic pay is docked). Your normal situation would be RUH, JED, IAD, CAI, EWR, PHL and LAD (Luanda), generally over weekends. These are generally considered to be the unpopular trips, for a variety of reasons ranging from lack of credit to some of them being in Saudi (having said that, RUH isn't that bad). As with all 777 pilots, expect 800+ flying hours before any overtime. As a newbie, you would expect a reserve month about once a year.
I'm about a third of the way up the co-pilots list. I can achieve weekends off with a reasonable choice of trips (not Beijing, Brazil, Cape Town when we do it, or the Caribbean) or achieve good trips (everything except Beijing and Cape Town) if I forego a couple of weekends.
However, the retirement bulge is largely over so you are likely to languish at the bottom of the pile for quite a few years.
On the 'bus at LHR, you will not see a weekend, you will be working close to maximum days with gypsy tours and early starts.
As you would be bottom of the seniority list, commands will be in the order of 15-20 years after joining on all fleets except shorthaul at LGW which is less, however there is a pay cap and inferior T&Cs to LHR. Also, there's no Final Salary Pension for new entrants. However, our current T&Cs are reasonable with good hotel agreements and your roster will be pretty much set in stone, which itself is worth its weight.
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You would get six weeks of leave per year, two of which are Duty Free Weeks which you can work over if you choose. These are allocated on a points (rather than seniority) system based on the previous eight seasons, although the more senior you are, the more points you are likely to have accumulated. Each leave week is allocated a number of points (eg. Christmas week = 1 point, middle of Feb = 5 points). The more points that an individual has, the greater his pick of leave slots. However, if you get Christmas off you would be allocated one point to your total, which would reduce your ability to bid for a popular slot the next year. Most people bid for a mix of high and low point weeks. Leave can only be taken in one or two week blocks. There is a facility to swap leave blocks subject to availability.
Hope this helps. Good luck to anyone who applies.
Not quite. At the bottom of the pile on the triple expect five or six trans-Atlantics and not being able to make CAP. However as a blind line holder which is the most probable scenario, you are CAP protected (CAP being the monthly amount of work you must achieve, or your basic pay is docked). Your normal situation would be RUH, JED, IAD, CAI, EWR, PHL and LAD (Luanda), generally over weekends. These are generally considered to be the unpopular trips, for a variety of reasons ranging from lack of credit to some of them being in Saudi (having said that, RUH isn't that bad). As with all 777 pilots, expect 800+ flying hours before any overtime. As a newbie, you would expect a reserve month about once a year.
I'm about a third of the way up the co-pilots list. I can achieve weekends off with a reasonable choice of trips (not Beijing, Brazil, Cape Town when we do it, or the Caribbean) or achieve good trips (everything except Beijing and Cape Town) if I forego a couple of weekends.
However, the retirement bulge is largely over so you are likely to languish at the bottom of the pile for quite a few years.
On the 'bus at LHR, you will not see a weekend, you will be working close to maximum days with gypsy tours and early starts.
As you would be bottom of the seniority list, commands will be in the order of 15-20 years after joining on all fleets except shorthaul at LGW which is less, however there is a pay cap and inferior T&Cs to LHR. Also, there's no Final Salary Pension for new entrants. However, our current T&Cs are reasonable with good hotel agreements and your roster will be pretty much set in stone, which itself is worth its weight.
P1,
You would get six weeks of leave per year, two of which are Duty Free Weeks which you can work over if you choose. These are allocated on a points (rather than seniority) system based on the previous eight seasons, although the more senior you are, the more points you are likely to have accumulated. Each leave week is allocated a number of points (eg. Christmas week = 1 point, middle of Feb = 5 points). The more points that an individual has, the greater his pick of leave slots. However, if you get Christmas off you would be allocated one point to your total, which would reduce your ability to bid for a popular slot the next year. Most people bid for a mix of high and low point weeks. Leave can only be taken in one or two week blocks. There is a facility to swap leave blocks subject to availability.
Hope this helps. Good luck to anyone who applies.
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At the mo, 2500 and a type rating (A320 or 777), is the official rumour. Almost certainly, you WILL NOT get onto the -400 straight away. Also, there are zero Direct Entry Commands. There are enough people internally to fill all those seats.
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HF,
Is the bidline seniority a Fleet Seniority, or done by Global seniority?
What I mean is, if you join as DEP on the 777, and then in a years time, someone who joined 4 years ago and has been on e.g. 737 moves onto the 777 will they be able to out bid you ???
If so, you could be at the bottom of the list for a LONG time, and even worse I guess on the 744.....
Is the bidline seniority a Fleet Seniority, or done by Global seniority?
What I mean is, if you join as DEP on the 777, and then in a years time, someone who joined 4 years ago and has been on e.g. 737 moves onto the 777 will they be able to out bid you ???
If so, you could be at the bottom of the list for a LONG time, and even worse I guess on the 744.....
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To answer your question if you look at the early days of the 777 there were few senior pilots bidding for it as the routes were c**p.
Once the routes improved many of the original joiners sat at the bottom as the senior guys moved across from other fleets (including myself) and jumped above them on the bid list.
To answer your question if you look at the early days of the 777 there were few senior pilots bidding for it as the routes were c**p.
Once the routes improved many of the original joiners sat at the bottom as the senior guys moved across from other fleets (including myself) and jumped above them on the bid list.
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What I mean is, if you join as DEP on the 777, and then in a years time, someone who joined 4 years ago and has been on e.g. 737 moves onto the 777 will they be able to out bid you ???
If so, you could be at the bottom of the list for a LONG time, and even worse I guess on the 744.....
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In days gone by, the 744 was regarded as the very senior fleet, with ALL the good routes. However the -400 picked up a lot of the Classic work and in turn lost some to the 777, meaning that the two fleets now are pretty close to each other in seniority terms. -400 work is now based around the US, Africa, India and Far East/Australia, whereas with the 777 you will get east coast US, Caribbean, South America, some Africa, and Middle East with exceptions such as Beijing.
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So what can a DEP expect to earn. Basic, take home etc.
What are the allowances like and what pension can you expect now the final salary has gone.
Also what address would you send your CV too??
Thanks
What are the allowances like and what pension can you expect now the final salary has gone.
Also what address would you send your CV too??
Thanks