EasyJet or Ryanair if you had to Choose NOW
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EasyJet or Ryanair if you had to Choose NOW
Sounds like a tremendous amount of negativity about both Easyjet and Ryanair on the boards lately. Yes, I have conducted a search and read A LOT of negativity...
However, if you had job opportunities at both (and no other options) and you had to choose, which would you choose now and why? Any good reasons to join?
However, if you had job opportunities at both (and no other options) and you had to choose, which would you choose now and why? Any good reasons to join?
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Ryanair:
1. Stable roster 5 on 3 off - set in stone
2. Better pay
3. No need for unions - we get a better deal without IALPA or BALPA sticking their noses in.
4. Command in 3 years based purely on ability
5. Long term stability - I can positively see Ryanair in 20 years from now still going strong but have my doubts about easyJet
6. The concept of work hard for good pay is one I absolutely agree with.
7. Plenty of European bases if you fancy a stint abroad
I could go on and on...
It's also strange that Ryanair is constantly being slagged off by outsiders but if you look at the posts from FR staff, they all agree it's a good company to work for.
1. Stable roster 5 on 3 off - set in stone
2. Better pay
3. No need for unions - we get a better deal without IALPA or BALPA sticking their noses in.
4. Command in 3 years based purely on ability
5. Long term stability - I can positively see Ryanair in 20 years from now still going strong but have my doubts about easyJet
6. The concept of work hard for good pay is one I absolutely agree with.
7. Plenty of European bases if you fancy a stint abroad
I could go on and on...
It's also strange that Ryanair is constantly being slagged off by outsiders but if you look at the posts from FR staff, they all agree it's a good company to work for.
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Completely agree with Flying Irish manthough..
Financial figures look better on the medium/long term for O'Leary's Business than Stelio's .... won't bother giving details ..... BUT : Does ANYONE here want to stay 20 years at Ryanair ? don't think so
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By the way Flying Irish man ,
I'm quite bemused about your candid view on Ryanair ... When I see how they treat their customers (me from time to time) It's no surprise to anyone that they treat their staff like Sh
t .....
Who am I to say that ? no one of course but my I/R instructor just got told (after the 732 fleet was grounded) that if he wanted to keep his job he had to pay for the -800 type rating himself ! properly disgusting......
OK OK - I'll stop playing Candide myself ... airline managers are no samaritans.... It doesn't mean we asked them to be crooks !
Financial figures look better on the medium/long term for O'Leary's Business than Stelio's .... won't bother giving details ..... BUT : Does ANYONE here want to stay 20 years at Ryanair ? don't think so
!By the way Flying Irish man ,
I'm quite bemused about your candid view on Ryanair ... When I see how they treat their customers (me from time to time) It's no surprise to anyone that they treat their staff like Sh
t .....Who am I to say that ? no one of course but my I/R instructor just got told (after the 732 fleet was grounded) that if he wanted to keep his job he had to pay for the -800 type rating himself ! properly disgusting......
OK OK - I'll stop playing Candide myself ... airline managers are no samaritans.... It doesn't mean we asked them to be crooks !
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I'm with Flyingirishman and superfly on this one.
A few years ago I would have had to disagree but things have changed. There are not too many leaving the MOL family these days. Keep your head down and ass up and you have no worries.
Having been through the 'union vs company' thing before I prefer it this way.
True that the first 6 months can be an unorganised nightmare to say the least, but after that it's work hard for good pay and opportunity.
SF.
A few years ago I would have had to disagree but things have changed. There are not too many leaving the MOL family these days. Keep your head down and ass up and you have no worries.
Having been through the 'union vs company' thing before I prefer it this way.
True that the first 6 months can be an unorganised nightmare to say the least, but after that it's work hard for good pay and opportunity.
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I would say go to EasyJet, get f....d and then when you have had enough try Ryanair. I am sure you will see things in a different light then.
They Have an English AOC
They Have English Law
They Have BALPA
They have the Airbus
Ryanair on the other hand has a JAR OPS 1 AOC
Has JAR FCL
Has JAA TRTO
OK it does not have Airbus, but last I checked you do not take it with at home or park it outside Tesco. On the other hand I will ask my wife when she goes down to Tesco to ask for a discount based on my flying kit, and if it works I guarantee you I will never care about salaries any more I will only care about what I fly, hey I will even fly for free
Paying for type ratings internaly is a load of Bo.......s. No 200 guy has ever paid for a type rating in Ryanair, maybe your friend ment that he will be bonded for a year. Not even the guys that are with Buzz stansted have to pay for the type rating, and they do not belong to Ryanair Flight Ops. They have an English AOC, they have the English Law, and they are transfering to Ryanair a third world country airline. But I forgot to mention, that since the buyout these guys are happy, because the work on a stable roster, with better money and more days off.
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They Have an English AOC
They Have English Law
They Have BALPA
They have the Airbus
Ryanair on the other hand has a JAR OPS 1 AOC
Has JAR FCL
Has JAA TRTO
OK it does not have Airbus, but last I checked you do not take it with at home or park it outside Tesco. On the other hand I will ask my wife when she goes down to Tesco to ask for a discount based on my flying kit, and if it works I guarantee you I will never care about salaries any more I will only care about what I fly, hey I will even fly for free
Paying for type ratings internaly is a load of Bo.......s. No 200 guy has ever paid for a type rating in Ryanair, maybe your friend ment that he will be bonded for a year. Not even the guys that are with Buzz stansted have to pay for the type rating, and they do not belong to Ryanair Flight Ops. They have an English AOC, they have the English Law, and they are transfering to Ryanair a third world country airline. But I forgot to mention, that since the buyout these guys are happy, because the work on a stable roster, with better money and more days off.
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Well, Easyglider your reply made no sense to me whatsoever, but I imagine you know what you were talking about.
It does make me even more sure that the MacDonalds' KRM course might be a wee bit beyond your capabilities. Still, good luck to you.
It does make me even more sure that the MacDonalds' KRM course might be a wee bit beyond your capabilities. Still, good luck to you.
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You're absolutely right. After all my capabilities resulted in me having to drive airliners for a living!!! If only I'd worked harder in school I'm sure I could have reached your dizzy heights. Right Strafer?
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I'm sure I could have reached your dizzy heights. Right Strafer?
Enjoy yourself in Dubai
PS Krallu - They're acronyms for the Irish & British AirLine Pilots Associations
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How about I get this posting back on course from the running dialog....
Obviously flying an A319 or a 737-800 would be great - no preference there given they are both nice aeroplanes. I do have some basing questions:
1. For Ryanair, it was mentioned that one could possibly bid another base on the Continent - maybe Hahn or Bergamo - is that true? Could you be based out of Stansted and then do a tour from Bergamo for a year and then return to Stansted (with good seniority)?
2. Can you do the same with Easyjet - be based out of Geneva or Paris for a year if you have good seniority?
3. Also, as a newhire with Easyjet, what is the likelihood that you would be based out of Stansted and fly the GO routes (e.g., former GO flights from Stansted to Naples) vs. being based out of Luton or LGW? Are you given a choice or are you assigned a base out of London? Which base would be considered the best and worst for schedules/routes out of London?
Obviously flying an A319 or a 737-800 would be great - no preference there given they are both nice aeroplanes. I do have some basing questions:
1. For Ryanair, it was mentioned that one could possibly bid another base on the Continent - maybe Hahn or Bergamo - is that true? Could you be based out of Stansted and then do a tour from Bergamo for a year and then return to Stansted (with good seniority)?
2. Can you do the same with Easyjet - be based out of Geneva or Paris for a year if you have good seniority?
3. Also, as a newhire with Easyjet, what is the likelihood that you would be based out of Stansted and fly the GO routes (e.g., former GO flights from Stansted to Naples) vs. being based out of Luton or LGW? Are you given a choice or are you assigned a base out of London? Which base would be considered the best and worst for schedules/routes out of London?
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Contracts for the European bases are issued for one year when transferring there from STN. So yes, you have the possibility of doing a 1 year stint at Hahn, Bergamo or wherever else you fancy.
Returning can be a bit tricky as you have to keep reminding them that you want to go back but generally speaking it's no problem. If you want to extend your stay in Europe that's usually not a problem either.
Returning can be a bit tricky as you have to keep reminding them that you want to go back but generally speaking it's no problem. If you want to extend your stay in Europe that's usually not a problem either.
LVL CHG,
Paris yes, although at the moment it's a temporary base. Geneva is a seperate AOC as Switzerland is non-EU, and can only employ people with right of abode there.
Paris yes, although at the moment it's a temporary base. Geneva is a seperate AOC as Switzerland is non-EU, and can only employ people with right of abode there.