EasyJet or Ryanair if you had to Choose NOW
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Easyjet operating under the english legal system is some sort of advantage? That implies that the Irish legal system is somehow deficient regarding worker protection/rights.
I can assure you that our legal protections for employees are equal to and in some cases far superior to those enjoyed by workers in England. After all most employee protection legislation was necessitated by our membership of the European Union, and implemented usually in the form of directive.
I'll give you just one example, our Employment Equality Act, 1998, inter alia outlaws discrimination in all incidents of the employment relationship on nine distinct grounds, viz: Age, Gender, Family Status, Marital Status, Disability, Membership of the Travelling Community, Religon, Race, Pregnancy. This far exceeds the minimum requirements set out in Art 13 of the Amsterdam Treaty.
Just ask MOL himself, as RYanair were subject to proceedings under the EEA 1998, brought about as a result of a recruitment advert in a daily newspaper, seeking ' a young dynamic proffessional', which was held to be discriminatory and Ryanair was duly fined.
I am sure given an insight into our employee protection legislation structure, you will not now allow the legal system influence your decision as to who you work for.
I can assure you that our legal protections for employees are equal to and in some cases far superior to those enjoyed by workers in England. After all most employee protection legislation was necessitated by our membership of the European Union, and implemented usually in the form of directive.
I'll give you just one example, our Employment Equality Act, 1998, inter alia outlaws discrimination in all incidents of the employment relationship on nine distinct grounds, viz: Age, Gender, Family Status, Marital Status, Disability, Membership of the Travelling Community, Religon, Race, Pregnancy. This far exceeds the minimum requirements set out in Art 13 of the Amsterdam Treaty.
Just ask MOL himself, as RYanair were subject to proceedings under the EEA 1998, brought about as a result of a recruitment advert in a daily newspaper, seeking ' a young dynamic proffessional', which was held to be discriminatory and Ryanair was duly fined.
I am sure given an insight into our employee protection legislation structure, you will not now allow the legal system influence your decision as to who you work for.
Anyone care to guess which outfit has had the most unfair or unlawful dismissal cases upheld or settled out of court?
Smoking in Cockpit thread in Romours and News is also a useful insught into FR corporate culture...
Smoking in Cockpit thread in Romours and News is also a useful insught into FR corporate culture...
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It is very interesting how all the experts about how bad it is in Ryanair are non FR employees. People vote with their feet, and not only are they not leaving, but on the flight deck there is no moaning and bitching about the company.
I am very happy to keep it this way, as the more people realize that we are having fun and getting paid good money for a days work, the more ******s and moaners will decide to join.
So keep on slaging off and feeling sorry about us in Ryanair and keep going to Easy Jet and bitch and moan and complain. Hey if you guys keep going Orange, it means that salaries will increase and terms and conditions get better as we are approaching the renegotiation of the 5 year deal. In the mean time I am off to PIK so I will miss all the comotion and excitment in STN
Good Luck
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I am very happy to keep it this way, as the more people realize that we are having fun and getting paid good money for a days work, the more ******s and moaners will decide to join.
So keep on slaging off and feeling sorry about us in Ryanair and keep going to Easy Jet and bitch and moan and complain. Hey if you guys keep going Orange, it means that salaries will increase and terms and conditions get better as we are approaching the renegotiation of the 5 year deal. In the mean time I am off to PIK so I will miss all the comotion and excitment in STN
Good Luck
JP
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seeking ' a young dynamic proffessional', which was held to be discriminatory and Ryanair was duly fined.
I feel my human rights have been infringed and will be writing to my MEP this very afternoon (if I knew who the
he was).
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Quite right Strafer,
Dullards and amatuers are implicitly being discriminated against. But, it is important to remember that discrimination per se does not offend the act, provided that the discrimination is not based largely or exclusively on any one of nine discriminatory grounds, that I outlined in my previous post, it is quite legal to discriminate.
One could do worse then observe the traditional common law approach to discrimination, per Lord Davey: "[a]n employer may refuse to employ a worker from the most capricious, malicious or morally reprehensive motives that can be conceived but the workman has no right of action against him, and a man has no right to be employed by any particular employer and has no right to any particular employment if it depends on the will of another".
This freedom is now circumscribed by legislation. Whilst Ireland may have among the broadest grounds of discrimination in Europe, it still does not cover every conceivable possible occurence of discrimination. But if its not covered by the act it's not illegal, and one is therfore free to discriminate as he pleases once it's not in breach of the nine grounds.
Dullards and amatuers are implicitly being discriminated against. But, it is important to remember that discrimination per se does not offend the act, provided that the discrimination is not based largely or exclusively on any one of nine discriminatory grounds, that I outlined in my previous post, it is quite legal to discriminate.
One could do worse then observe the traditional common law approach to discrimination, per Lord Davey: "[a]n employer may refuse to employ a worker from the most capricious, malicious or morally reprehensive motives that can be conceived but the workman has no right of action against him, and a man has no right to be employed by any particular employer and has no right to any particular employment if it depends on the will of another".
This freedom is now circumscribed by legislation. Whilst Ireland may have among the broadest grounds of discrimination in Europe, it still does not cover every conceivable possible occurence of discrimination. But if its not covered by the act it's not illegal, and one is therfore free to discriminate as he pleases once it's not in breach of the nine grounds.
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Still curious about how Easyjet newhires are assigned bases in the London area - Luton, LGW or Stansted. If a newhire either chooses or is assigned Stansted, for example, he/she would fly GO's former route structure (e.g., to Naples - service not provided out of Luton or LGW). How are newhires allocated to each of the London airports - do you get to bid on location? If given the choice of the three (and actual location relative to house not important), which are the best and worst in London in terms of schedule, routes flown, etc.? I know the 300s are flown out of Stansted - no 700s yet.
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MEEB,
this is a true story, and those in the Easy Land office and in the CAA can confirm the story. As you know Easyjet is a paperless airline and as such scans everything and then throws it away. The EasyJet AOC came to the offices and it was scanned and then destroyed. Some one started looking for it and could not find but in electronic form. Needless to say they had to ask the CAA for another copy...
My point was that there is no such thing anymore as we all operate under the JAR, so all AOCs are now JAR OPS 1
But if you have something else in mind tell us, as I would like to learn somthing new.
JP
Now if you are refering to my posting about Buzz, they are operating under the AirUK AOC renamed Buzz Stansted and they are wetleasing their aircraft and crews to Ryanair. They are flying under the CAP FTL and under their own Ops manuals and procedures.
this is a true story, and those in the Easy Land office and in the CAA can confirm the story. As you know Easyjet is a paperless airline and as such scans everything and then throws it away. The EasyJet AOC came to the offices and it was scanned and then destroyed. Some one started looking for it and could not find but in electronic form. Needless to say they had to ask the CAA for another copy...
My point was that there is no such thing anymore as we all operate under the JAR, so all AOCs are now JAR OPS 1
But if you have something else in mind tell us, as I would like to learn somthing new.
JP
Now if you are refering to my posting about Buzz, they are operating under the AirUK AOC renamed Buzz Stansted and they are wetleasing their aircraft and crews to Ryanair. They are flying under the CAP FTL and under their own Ops manuals and procedures.
The simple fact is that English AOCs are the easiest to obtain. Scottish and Northern Irish AOCs are now written in two languages. Welsh AOCs are written only in Welsh and are therefore not popular.
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Gotta dig ya out here John....
Would stab a guess that Meeb is from one of the junior partners in the UK p'raps wales or scotland and they tend to be a little sensetive about that. You could have avoided the flaming by referring to the "English" AOC as a "UK" one.
Hope this helps.
Would stab a guess that Meeb is from one of the junior partners in the UK p'raps wales or scotland and they tend to be a little sensetive about that. You could have avoided the flaming by referring to the "English" AOC as a "UK" one.
Hope this helps.
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Hear Hear WCdr, a bit more British and a bit less English if you please.
I will restrain myself from commenting on the relative merits of the UK and Irish AOCs, except to say that no one in the UK ever heard of a "verbal exemption" or that "we do not apply that paragraph of our operations manual..." (quote verbatim ex FOD Ei AOC Company)
Even so I feel that crews are better treated by one than by the other, which perhaps explains the haemorrhage of pilots in that direction.
Perhaps the grass really is GREENer.
I will restrain myself from commenting on the relative merits of the UK and Irish AOCs, except to say that no one in the UK ever heard of a "verbal exemption" or that "we do not apply that paragraph of our operations manual..." (quote verbatim ex FOD Ei AOC Company)
Even so I feel that crews are better treated by one than by the other, which perhaps explains the haemorrhage of pilots in that direction.
Perhaps the grass really is GREENer.
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Coming back to the begining of this thread, I posted that I would go for the one that pays more cash...
Let's assume that I was freshly 737 type rated and landed a job in either Stelio's or O'leary's big happy orange or blue family. How much ( flying sectors included) could I expect to earn per year ? Is £40-45K unrealistic ? Some sensible estimation would help me,guys, to convince my banker he needs to land me the dosh for my type rating ?
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Let's assume that I was freshly 737 type rated and landed a job in either Stelio's or O'leary's big happy orange or blue family. How much ( flying sectors included) could I expect to earn per year ? Is £40-45K unrealistic ? Some sensible estimation would help me,guys, to convince my banker he needs to land me the dosh for my type rating ?
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EZ A319 bonding?
A lot of people talk about the advantages of easyJet compared to Ryanair, because of the possibility of getting an A319 type with easyJet in the future.
Currently easyJet has a Type Rating Sponsorship Scheme which charges a hefty £23.000,- for a 737 type. I wonder how this will work when more and more Airbusses will join the fleet and more pilots are needed.
Will they only hire new pilots for the Airbus, or will there be a possibility for EZ 737 pilots to transition to the A319? If the later, does anybody have a clue how much the bond will be to make the transition?
Sure, an A319 rating (in addition to 737 experience and type) sounds very nice as you cover both markets, but is it really worth the price?
Currently easyJet has a Type Rating Sponsorship Scheme which charges a hefty £23.000,- for a 737 type. I wonder how this will work when more and more Airbusses will join the fleet and more pilots are needed.
Will they only hire new pilots for the Airbus, or will there be a possibility for EZ 737 pilots to transition to the A319? If the later, does anybody have a clue how much the bond will be to make the transition?
Sure, an A319 rating (in addition to 737 experience and type) sounds very nice as you cover both markets, but is it really worth the price?
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Will they only hire new pilots for the Airbus, or will there be a possibility for EZ 737 pilots to transition to the A319? If the later, does anybody have a clue how much the bond will be to make the transition?
Hmmm.......... sounds plausible I suppose!
Robertr Vesco,
As I understand it as of yesterday, and it may have changed three times since!!!!!
If you are at an EZY base on the 737, and the base converts to the 319, there is no bond.
If you transfer to an Airbus base or to a base about to get the 'Bus to get the rating then there is a bond, but how much I don't know.
The 737 will see me out, I hope, too old to go through all that again!!!
As I understand it as of yesterday, and it may have changed three times since!!!!!
If you are at an EZY base on the 737, and the base converts to the 319, there is no bond.
If you transfer to an Airbus base or to a base about to get the 'Bus to get the rating then there is a bond, but how much I don't know.
The 737 will see me out, I hope, too old to go through all that again!!!