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Hi;
Someone recently told me that you now also have to pay for the line training element in the Ryanair recruitment program? Is that true?
If so you end up paying 17K+ for the rating and then lord only knows how much for the line training.......
Someone recently told me that you now also have to pay for the line training element in the Ryanair recruitment program? Is that true?
If so you end up paying 17K+ for the rating and then lord only knows how much for the line training.......
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And then you get kicked out for no reason at all because that's what a**shole MOL has made you sign in the first place: the airline is entitled to terminate your contract at any time with no justification.
Isn't it a great profession ???? ...
Pilots won't be a charge anymore but another profit center: pilots pay to send a CV, then pay to take the interview, then pay for initial training, then pay for line training, then get fired and probably need to pay again for their suit's depreciation. And the cycle starts all over again as a new pilot is joining Ryanair to replace that previous poor sod....
The whole lot of us are just a sad bunch of suckers...Getting ****ed hard and still smiling.
Isn't it a great profession ???? ...
Pilots won't be a charge anymore but another profit center: pilots pay to send a CV, then pay to take the interview, then pay for initial training, then pay for line training, then get fired and probably need to pay again for their suit's depreciation. And the cycle starts all over again as a new pilot is joining Ryanair to replace that previous poor sod....
The whole lot of us are just a sad bunch of suckers...Getting ****ed hard and still smiling.
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To answer your original question, no it is not true. I have been training guys both cadets and Direct entry Cpts F/Os. Both categories once they have their safety pilots removed receive sector pay. Pilots who need circuit training do not have to pay for that either. Hope that helps... lots of guys coming from SAS and the SAS flight acadmy at the moment, aswell as CAE and GECAT.
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@bijave:
..in Germany it is general practice to incorporate a 'Probezeit' in basically every employment contract, which gives the employer as well as the employee the right to terminate the contract without stating any further reasons. Depending on profession, ranging from one month to one year.
..in Germany it is general practice to incorporate a 'Probezeit' in basically every employment contract, which gives the employer as well as the employee the right to terminate the contract without stating any further reasons. Depending on profession, ranging from one month to one year.
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ryan air jobs...where?
Dear John Pilot,
Having a full JAA ATPL with a Boeing 737-3/900 rating and 2600 hours on metro3s and be 1900s, I, one day, decided to fill in Ryan Application form...
That was 3 months ago and still no reply....I believe Ryan Air team could invest in a stamp using the 50 Sterling from the application fee to answer pilots who applied.
Maybe low cost airlines are not the way to go...I am quite saddened by the industry.
Tailwinds.
Flyer75
Having a full JAA ATPL with a Boeing 737-3/900 rating and 2600 hours on metro3s and be 1900s, I, one day, decided to fill in Ryan Application form...
That was 3 months ago and still no reply....I believe Ryan Air team could invest in a stamp using the 50 Sterling from the application fee to answer pilots who applied.
Maybe low cost airlines are not the way to go...I am quite saddened by the industry.
Tailwinds.
Flyer75
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Don't despair flyer75.
ie It is quite normal not to hear a thing and then to be asked on Friday 'if you can begin on Monday morning'. It is all or nothing in Ryanair and I think most in flight ops would agree. This happens in- house as well as out-house (so to speak).
Good Luck
SF
ie It is quite normal not to hear a thing and then to be asked on Friday 'if you can begin on Monday morning'. It is all or nothing in Ryanair and I think most in flight ops would agree. This happens in- house as well as out-house (so to speak).
Good Luck
SF
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Flyer75,
maybe answer for your question is:
"How many hours you have on B737-3to9? (simulator hours exclude)
If you have less than 500 hours on type (again, simulator hours exclude) in that case you are not in top section of the list. By Ryanair present rule, you should apply for type rating and pay for same.
If your answer is more than 500 hours in that case there are two solutions:
1. Your applications get lost
2. Your phone may ring any time in future and message could be:
"May you come tommorow at 9?
Regards
maybe answer for your question is:
"How many hours you have on B737-3to9? (simulator hours exclude)
If you have less than 500 hours on type (again, simulator hours exclude) in that case you are not in top section of the list. By Ryanair present rule, you should apply for type rating and pay for same.
If your answer is more than 500 hours in that case there are two solutions:
1. Your applications get lost
2. Your phone may ring any time in future and message could be:
"May you come tommorow at 9?
Regards
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Fly 75,
Sent an e-mail to [email protected] or [email protected]. It is free and they give you a quick reply on behalve of RYR. Worked for me.
Sent an e-mail to [email protected] or [email protected]. It is free and they give you a quick reply on behalve of RYR. Worked for me.
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Hello again,
I do not have first hand experience on the matter, so what I am about to say here today is what the cadets have been telling me. If it is not 100% correct I apologise but I have no way of cross-checking what these guys tell me. It seems a few of the recent pilots have been going to SAS for their typerating because it is cheaper than the other places. The money is directly paid to the flight acadamy being CAE, SAS, GECAT. Ryanair does not get involved with the money issue, nor do they get paid for the type rating course. The various TRTOs are approved by the IAA to work under the Ryanair TRTO training programme so when finishing the course one receives CATIII training aswell. Ryanair TREs conduct the final check, and TREs from the Training department do quality checks on these TRTOs for accurate and precise training of RYR SOPs etc. I have been told that a school that was under contract in Germany is no longer on the list as they did not meet the requirements. Once the pilot finishes the course they will do base check, and as far as I understand from all the cadets they do not pay for that. Once they start flying the line for line training they get sector pay once the safety pilot is released.
I have to say that the cadet pilots that come have no experience on jets so they do need a fair amount of training on landing and handling techniques, however I am very impressed with their abilities and their overall performance.
JP
They all seem to be enjoying the experience and the airline operation. Good luck to you all, hope to see you soon on the flight deck.
I do not have first hand experience on the matter, so what I am about to say here today is what the cadets have been telling me. If it is not 100% correct I apologise but I have no way of cross-checking what these guys tell me. It seems a few of the recent pilots have been going to SAS for their typerating because it is cheaper than the other places. The money is directly paid to the flight acadamy being CAE, SAS, GECAT. Ryanair does not get involved with the money issue, nor do they get paid for the type rating course. The various TRTOs are approved by the IAA to work under the Ryanair TRTO training programme so when finishing the course one receives CATIII training aswell. Ryanair TREs conduct the final check, and TREs from the Training department do quality checks on these TRTOs for accurate and precise training of RYR SOPs etc. I have been told that a school that was under contract in Germany is no longer on the list as they did not meet the requirements. Once the pilot finishes the course they will do base check, and as far as I understand from all the cadets they do not pay for that. Once they start flying the line for line training they get sector pay once the safety pilot is released.
I have to say that the cadet pilots that come have no experience on jets so they do need a fair amount of training on landing and handling techniques, however I am very impressed with their abilities and their overall performance.
JP
They all seem to be enjoying the experience and the airline operation. Good luck to you all, hope to see you soon on the flight deck.
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Services Terminated
Guys & Gals,
A couple of years ago I was a RYR Capt. Then one morning I was called into the back office just as I & F/O were walking out to the acft. I was handed a letter informing me my employment was terminated immediately.
BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME!
My CAA record is clean, no warnings for 'napproiate behaviour or other cobwash etc etc, nor any explanation either.
So, guys & gals, the 737 on steriods is a GREAT machine!
Full JEPPS (not one partial photocopy), full meals - at least 3 choices, sweet tray including ICE CREAM, and Cheese board.
OK so I have flown more night than day in the last 3 mths, stay in 4/5 star hotels with meal allowances, but that is a small price for flying for an airline that has INTEGRITY.
I rest my case.
A couple of years ago I was a RYR Capt. Then one morning I was called into the back office just as I & F/O were walking out to the acft. I was handed a letter informing me my employment was terminated immediately.
BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME!
My CAA record is clean, no warnings for 'napproiate behaviour or other cobwash etc etc, nor any explanation either.
So, guys & gals, the 737 on steriods is a GREAT machine!
Full JEPPS (not one partial photocopy), full meals - at least 3 choices, sweet tray including ICE CREAM, and Cheese board.
OK so I have flown more night than day in the last 3 mths, stay in 4/5 star hotels with meal allowances, but that is a small price for flying for an airline that has INTEGRITY.
I rest my case.
