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Kelly Hopper 24th November 2010 09:30

Radio Altimeters?
 
A little bit of bar talk the other evening revealed something I had never thought of before:
Why are we calling radio altimeters radalts?
They do not read altitude. They read instantaneous height. Something quite different.
Radio Height Readers would be a far better suggestion?
It is a serious question as a crewmate (non English) got very confused over this purely because the word altimeter was in it!

Endeavour 24th November 2010 10:21

Perhaps because years ago when the Radalt was first conceived, it was usual to set QFE when taking off/landing and hence the barometric Altimeter read height? Just a thought.

DFC 24th November 2010 10:24

Look at your instrument pannel.

It has an Altimeter.

When you arrive in the cockpit and it is showing some random indication it is an Altimeter.

When you set QNH for departure, it is an Altimeter

When you set 1013 for enroute climb cruise and descent it is an Altimeter

When you set QFE for landing, it is an Altimeter.

Does your friend get confused and think that is should be called an Altimeter, a Flightlevelometer, and a Heighmeter? :D

The first uses of the radio altimeter was by the Navigator on long over-ocean crossings to work out "D" and over the ocean it most certainly measures Altitude.

Later uses for landing and (E)GPWS do not require us to call it something different.

RADio ALTimeter

Kelly Hopper 24th November 2010 11:18

[QUOTE]The first uses of the radio altimeter was by the Navigator on long over-ocean crossings to work out "D" and over the ocean it most certainly measures Altitude./QUOTE]

Ah, I considered this but came to the conclusion that it actually still measures height above the water beneath you and not altitude.
Altitude is measured against a datum of "MEAN" sea level not the actual sea level.

ImbracableCrunk 24th November 2010 13:12

The root altus means high. Altimeter is a height meter. Which height? Depends on the instrument and the setting.

forget 24th November 2010 13:47


The root altus means high. Altimeter is a height meter.
:D Best Prune answer in a long long while. :D
Kelly, didn't you do Latin init?

renard 24th November 2010 13:54

What is 'D' ?

ImbracableCrunk 24th November 2010 14:04


What is 'D' ?
Fourth letter in the modern Latin/English alphabet. Also the third letter in raDar, raDio, and raDiationem.

oxenos 24th November 2010 14:04

Heighmeter?
Presumably used for measuring how high the heigh is. Corn is of course measured in elephant's eyes. What is the preferred measure for heigh?

forget 24th November 2010 14:10

What is D. Something to do with Pressure Pattern Navigation, after which, I'm lost. :bored:

aterpster 24th November 2010 14:28

It indeed is an altimeter that reads absolute altitude.

Escape Path 24th November 2010 14:55

Usually feet, although the Russians prefer metres :E

grounded27 24th November 2010 17:35

Simply because only one radalt reports aural warnings/information. Safe thought to crosscheck vital information in TO and land modes of flight.

Brian Abraham 24th November 2010 23:23

forget hasn't forgotten much and is on the money.

AP3340 (Air Ministry book of Aviation Meteorology) uses the term "D" to define the difference between the true height (Radalt) and the pressure altitude. "D" is applied to various formulas used in pressure pattern flying calculations. In the northern hemisphere if "D" is increasing drift is to port, if decreasing drift is to starboard.

Saintsman 25th November 2010 08:41

Let's open this debate a bit more.

Is it a Radio Altimeter or a Radar Altimeter?

Or are they two different things?

Wodrick 25th November 2010 08:55

Two different things

forget 25th November 2010 08:57


Is it a Radio Altimeter or a Radar Altimeter? Or are they two different things?
Radio Altimeter is 'more correct'. Radar comes from RAdio Detection And Ranging and a Rad Alt doesnt really detect anything. (Pedants stay away.)


Wiki. In 1924, American engineer Lloyd Espenschied invented the radio altimeter. However, it took 14 years before Bell Labs was able to put Espenschied's device in a form that was adaptable for aircraft use.
PS. I've just seen Wodricks post - two different things. How so?

Saintsman 25th November 2010 09:06


a Rad Alt doesnt really detect anything
Doesn't a Rad Alt transmit a signal and receive it back in order to determine the height?

AerocatS2A 25th November 2010 11:31

It can't give a range to something without detecting it first surely? It detects the ground/water and displays a calculated range.

forget 25th November 2010 11:54

I said - Radio Altimeter is 'more correct'. Radar comes from RAdio Detection And Ranging and a Rad Alt doesnt really detect anything. (Pedants stay away.)

The point of the discussion was - Radio Alt or Radar Alt. Every other ‘Radar’, Search, Fighter or Weather, needs to detect the direction and range of a target which may, or may not, be there.

Rad Alt doesn’t need to (first) detect anything to work, it bounces off something it knows is there - the earth. That’s the reason it’s Radio Alt rather than Radar Alt - and why I said - Pedants stay away. :)


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