PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Tech Log (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log-15/)
-   -   777 ball park figures and rules of thumb (https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/406567-777-ball-park-figures-rules-thumb.html)

flykite 22nd February 2010 13:13

777 ball park figures and rules of thumb
 
I'm doing some powerpoint slides on ball park figures and rules of thumb used by 777 pilots during line ops.

Problem is I'm only a pilot trainee waiting for 777 sim training and have zero line experience.

As such, I've been desperately asking seniors I know who are on the 777, but so far the information gathered has been quite limited.

Would really like to appeal to the 777 pilots on this forum to share a pointer or two. :)

kijangnim 22nd February 2010 13:29

a point or Two on the B777 so your power point is going to be one or two slides :confused:

5LY 22nd February 2010 13:36

You really won't need any tricks to fly this thing. It's pretty simple and transparent. It just carries too much gas.

puff m'call 22nd February 2010 13:45

Here's a good one to start with.

EFATO rudder trim required if TAC is inop

Initial climb 12 units. Cruise 6 units. Descent 3 units.

These are ball park and will vary with the 200/300/300ER. :ok:

kijangnim 22nd February 2010 18:14

Greetings
for EFATO rudder trim use 1/2 Fuel FLow i.e., 10T Rudder 5 units

kijangnim 22nd February 2010 19:11

Greetings
Approach N1 = ((landing weight+ 400)-55)/10
landing weight = 210 Tons => 210+400=600 -55 = 545 /10 = N1 54.5 with Gear Down and Landing Flaps:ok:, well you might think that it is quicker to lookup in the QRH unreliable speed:}

fourgolds 23rd February 2010 07:57

heres one

sit for max 20 min then go for a walk or stretch.

sitting on this seat is directly proportoinal to back problems.

boeing designed a great airplane but a seat that is rivalled in comfort only by a park bench.

rojako 23rd February 2010 08:22

max FL, and vref30 rule of thumb
 
Nice thread,

Here are mine, correct me if I'm wrong
B777-200
Max FL under all circumstances B772 rule of thumb FL600-GW, so weight 300 tons= max FL 300.

n-1 max FL rule of thumb FL450-GW, so weight 250tons, max n-1 FL200 drift down altitude

MAX TOW n-1 driftdown FL150 under most circumstances possible.
MAX TOW n-1 after take off climbing , max FL120.

go arround fuel 400kg till 1500ft


Vref30= GW/3 +66kts, so vref30 210 tons=210/3=70 +66+ 133kts..

Jettison time to standpipe level from full wing tanks and ctr tank less then 45 tons= arround 40 minutes.
Every 10 tons more in ctr tank= add 10 minutes.

who is next ?.....

5LY 23rd February 2010 12:31

All things I can see in the FMC or in the case of fuel dumping, on the EICAS fuel page.

Nice little tricks, but to what end?

FullWings 23rd February 2010 14:58

You need to use at least the 3.3x table + 1nm/15kts for a still air descent, unless you're at Mmo/Vmo and/or very light.

Flight with unreliable airspeed: keep around 2.5degs between the FPV and the "airplane symbol" and you'll stabilise at a safe speed for whatever configuration you're in. Refine using the QRH figures once under control.

The FMC can sometimes come out with some very strange recommendations for cruising levels, often very low or very high. Once you're into the mid-to-late 30s, the payoffs for climbing are not that great, especially in the last few hours of flight.

Vnav descents at high altitude need watching if there's a significant change of wind component on the way down.


sit for max 20 min then go for a walk or stretch.
Probably the most important one!

puff m'call 23rd February 2010 17:14

For Christ sake guys, he wants "Ball Park" figures.

How the hell do you expect someone to work out half of those damm things while flying on one engine!!!!:ugh:

Space cadets and rocket scientists, keep it simple.:D

kijangnim 23rd February 2010 17:55


I'm doing some powerpoint slides on ball park figures and rules of thumb used by 777 pilots during line ops.
Where did you see one engine:confused:

GarageYears 23rd February 2010 19:34

Either left or right wing seems to work! :ugh::8


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:04.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.