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Originally posted by auv-ee; It's just that details get lost, diminished or exaggerated . . . |
MV Alucia has arrived in the Pacific anchorage of the Panama Canal this morning, 2/28/2011.
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Quote from JD-EE:
...I still have a LONG time fascination with the concept of flying and the men who can do it safely and well. Only the fairer sex could get away with that one, Joanne. ;) |
Gender
With respect, and not wishing to play the pedantic p---k, I will say without equivocation the absolute winner in the Bearfoil best Captain Sweepstakes is a.........Lady. She is Tall, Blonde, and attractive. She is consummately professional, and tolerates no nonsense within a fuselage length of her chair. Those who have flown with her know whereof I speak. In pursuit of some long forgotten certificate, it was my pleasure to be one of her students. She was younger, lower time, and a girl. How could she have the best chops in the front?? She did, and she does. That'll teach me. bear |
Indeed, there a lot of good woman pilots. I've had a few on flights I have taken and they managed to put the plane down quite neatly. And they were a little more dignified with their takeoff gyrations required by local rules than the men at the same airport.
But, gee, give a lady (well, woman) a break. I don't find them nearly as interesting as the men. (I hear women, with a diaper, can pull more Gs than male fighter pilots. They're still "ho-hum" to me.) {^_-} |
I am most pleased the discussion has turned to pilots and pilotage.
Absent an offense by Aliens, 447 was lost due to fully understandable events. I venture to say the answers have been broached here, and most likely with great repetition. Dollars to dimes it involved more than a mere hiccup. Human error. Mechanical?? Who built what?? Marc DuBois. Captain DuBois. He and two brothers bear the brunt of suspicion, for that is the way. I doubt he would have it any other way. The only thing certain before the Alucia begins, is that there lurks in aviation a virtual certainty that there will be Death. It is a Human endeavour, Flight. |
Another site for monitoring Alucia
I found this website to be a little more helpful for tracking the Alucia because it shows the last known position even if it is several days old. You do have to register (free) to see some of the data though.
Vessel details ALUCIA (other type of ship) MMSI: 356352000 IMO: 7347823 vessel info and position - Digital-Seas.com It appears to have made it through the canal. |
It appears to have made it through the canal. EDIT :: There are currently scheduling delays for the canal transit due to a 7 year US$5.25 billion canal expansion program which includes additional locks, widening and deepening. |
Keep the updates coming regarding the search progress and hopefully all other banter can be put on hold for now.
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As of right now (00:30z Alucia is still at the anchorage off Balboa awaiting a slot through the Panama Canal. Since none of us has been able to pick her up on AIS since she left Seattle, aside from a quick glimpse when she passed the US/Mexico border, we can assume that, if she has an AIS satellite transmitter (as the previous search ships had and used), she's not been using it.
For those of us who would like to follow the search efforts, we will have to wait and see whether the Alucia shows up on the AIS services that pick up satellite transmissions when she arrives/leaves Recife and is en-route to the search area. We'll know soon enough. |
Hello,
First post for me but I am following af447 threads from the beginning. ALUCIA will go through the channel tomorrow: see http://www.pancanal.com/evtms-rpts/dis-05.pdf Best regards |
Thank you Dehaene. That is good news.:ok:
I was amazed it took so long to get scheduled for the transit. |
AIS system
What is AIS:
The UN-organisation, IMO, in its International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) requires AIS to be fitted aboard international voyaging ships with gross tonnage (GT) of 300 or more tons, and all passenger ships regardless of size. AIS regularly transmits data on VHF in order to avoid collisions with other ships. It is estimated that more than 40,000 ships currently carry AIS class A equipment. In 2007 (wikipedia), the new Class B AIS standard was introduced which enabled a new generation of low cost AIS transceivers. This has triggered multiple additional national mandates from Singapore, China, Turkey and North America affecting hundreds of thousands of more vessels. The system is partly developed in Sweden and uses the STDMA protocol invented by Håkan Lans. Regards |
The Automatic Identification System (AIS)
Originally postedby Machinbird; I suspect that there may be a misunderstanding of what AIS can do.
Note :: The designed for use of AIS is as a collision avoidance system, whereby shipboard plotters display the relevant position, track, speed and rate of turn data, along with vessel identification and size of those vessels within VHF range of their ship. In other words it is the marine version of aeronautical secondary radar, but instead of being land-based, is ship-based - TCAS style. This Wikipedia article is comprehensive and up to date. |
I believe you may have misinterpreted Broadreach's post He has been involved in setting up these systems in a number of ports. |
"Alucia" - update
The vessel left the Panama Pacific Anchorage at 2011-03-05 2100z to commence her northbound transit of the Panama Canal. At 2115z - appears to be waiting for a pilot just to the west of her original anchorage, which has been taken by a cruise ship, the "Island Princess".
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Panama Canal
In fact, the canal is currently used for southbound ships.
The pipe must be emptied before northbound can start again. We have to wait for about 5 boats i.e. 2 hours. |
POI
An interesting tidbit: As Alucia heads into the Atlantic from the Pacific, she will be heading Westerly. And drop two meters, Net. |
Originally posted by Dehaene; The pipe must be emptied before northbound can start again. Miraflores west lock is being used for northbound traffic. |
Yes, it seems that they now use both ways simultaneously.
Alicia just appeared on Miraflores Locks WebCam Multimedia - PanCanal.com |
2319z has Alucia approaching the Mirafloras locks, the first of the three sets on her passage through the canal.
Edit: Hm, fiddling with the map I found more information. The Whitney Bay is in the lead. And there are four ships still coming South to get through if they truly run only one way at a time. One of the four is just about clearing the locks at this moment. It looks like Alucia and Whitney Bay are going to get into the locks going North before the pipeline is cleared. Go to the pancanal.com site and you can find live video of the passage if you get there soon enough. |
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They are in the lock. The lock is closing. And a ship just entered the other end going South, on the other lane of course.
2135z |
There are 2 lock chambers, and you will see the vessels again (if sufficient lighting) when they are in or leaving the second chamber on the High Resolution camera.
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There is sufficient lighting. They turned on the lights. I guess they like to see what they are doing.
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On the webcam, looks like Alucia is exiting the Miraflores lock behind Whitney Bay now?
How many hopes and prayers must go with her... (0025z Now see from map that Alucia has exited, leaving Whitney Bay behind.) Thanks for all the links, you guys. |
For any who missed it: Alucia leaves Mirasflores lock...
http://i52.tinypic.com/33o17oh.gif (animated gif) |
For reference the Alucia is in the Western middle Gatun lock at the time this message was posted. So I suspect she'll be on her way and again out of our sight until she gets to Recife, estimated on the 18th at "22:11 (UTC)". I am amazed or at least bemused at the "precision" here. Gee, if she hits it on the head that says something about the sloppiness of airline flights, doesn't it?
(Grinning, ducking, running ->>>> THAT WAY FAST!) ->>>>>>>>>>> |
Alucia
She is still visible.
She dropped anchor at Colon on the other side of the Canal. Ship trip are sooo slow... |
I am amazed or at least bemused at the "precision" here. In any-case the best guess average speed appears to be 10.75 knots, and I suspect they will be lucky to maintain that, as for starters, the leg ENE to the north of Colombia is often subject to a strong ENE wind with accompanying sea and swells. After passing Curacao the winds will be lighter, but the surface current sets along the coast to the WNW and will peg back their GS. Edit :: ETA Recife 201103182011z per "Alucia" AIS Last Pos'n. 201103061602z 9 43'N 79 31'W Distance 3141NM Period 12 days 4 hours 09 min = 292.15 Hours 3142/292.15 = 10.75 knots |
Alucia's last position picked up by AIS was leaving Colon at 18:01z, and where she gives an ETA Recife of 18 March which is consistent with a speed of 12kn for the distance of 3,161nm. The last AIS data shows her at 12.9kn - consistent with wanting to get the hell away from the anchorage and arriving ships and into open water where the crew can settle into a routine for the next eleven days :)
Don't expect to see much of her until she passes Aruba and then north of Trinidad. Unless she surprises us and begins transmitting her position by satellite. |
JD-EE - the sloppiness of airline flights....
Totally off-thread but remotely related and on a lighter note: no need to run JD; a lot of us rely on the aviation equivalent of AIS to track where in the world our so-mobile family members are, so we know what time to head for the airport etc.
That's what I was doing on Saturday evening. And Sunday morning. And Sunday evening. Mrs b was returning from Miami to Rio on a flight that went tech for 16 hours. Mrs b is quiet, patient (she would be, considering who she married), pretty organized, understands that tech happens and prefers, when in doubt, to stay on terra firma until all's fixed. And, for Lomapaseo's interest, she also comments favourably on what she sees as great forbearance and good communication from the flight deck in the pre-departure confusion. She is not amongst the group who are suing :)! |
The UN-organisation, IMO, in its International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) requires AIS to be fitted aboard international voyaging ships with gross tonnage (GT) of 300 or more tons, and all passenger ships regardless of size. AIS regularly transmits data on VHF in order to avoid collisions with other ships. It is estimated that more than 40,000 ships currently carry AIS class A equipment |
HarryMann
A ship can switch off its AIS transmitter easily and I think most in the Indian Ocean do so. Whether they turn off the satellite transmitter as well as the VHF one, I wonder: there are pros and cons there. I've no doubt the Somali pirate backers (and many other organisations interested in targeting vessels with potentially juicy returns) have access to both. But so do the naval forces in the region. If you turn off the satellite tracking you disappear from the naval forces' screens as well. Sod's Law.
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The trouble with the Somali pirates, is that they will proceed many 100's of miles off the coast, and they themselves will not be detected by other ship's AIS. But they are equipped with a receive only AIS, and the rest is history.
It's a bit difficult to convince naval craft that you have a good reason not to have your AIS running when 200 miles or more from the coast, but as you know, the results are seen every day. The stuff that makes it to the media, is just the tip of the iceberg. |
I just watched this documentary on AF447, they suggest that super-cooled water vapour frooze the pitot tubes causing multiple system failures. The documentary can be seen here.
Lost: Mystery of Flight 447 - The Passionate Eye | CBC News Network |
Not available outside of Canada.
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The trailer for the CBC program can be viewed outside of Canada. That shows it to be basically the same program as both the one that aired on the BBC last year in the UK, and the re-narrated version that aired on PBS/NOVA last month in the USA. The trailer notes that the broadcast coincides with the start of the Phase 4 search, so possibly it has a little information added, but likely not.
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AF447 Documentary
There is really just one (speculative) documentary, produced by Darlow Smithson Productions. It was aired last year by the BBC in the UK and the PBS program NOVA in the US, and now by the CBC in Canada.
wes_wall -- you may view it here. |
And as for the "Alucia", last picked up by AIS north of Trinidad on 11 March, doing 11.8 knots. The ETA Recife, 18 March I think it was, looks good.
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