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Ejector 16th June 2006 10:08

Ra-Dome Deicing
 
On the nose radar dome of Jets, what are the 6-10 lines going from the nose back. I have heard they are for de-icing.

They are very clear on the F100’s.

What are they for and how do they work???

Gary Lager 16th June 2006 10:44

The radome is not made of metal, since it (usually) contains the weather radar and a metal cone would affect radar operation.

The strips are 'conductor strips' used to provide protection to the structure in the event of a lightning strike and to help dissipate static.

Nothing to do with de-icing AFAIK.

captjns 16th June 2006 13:14

Also referred to as bonding straps.

ICT_SLB 17th June 2006 02:59

Or diverter strips

glhcarl 17th June 2006 03:18

Lockheed calls them "ARRESTORS".

DC-8 17th June 2006 22:25

Thinking about static electricity... this question came to my mind:

How do aircrafts with fuselage made of composite conduct static electricity through it (e.g. Airbus)?

Redflyin 17th June 2006 22:46

I would think that they would still have to have some type of bonding strap system to protect the aircraft. The bonding allows the strike to enter at one spot, then continue to an exit point theortically protecting the avionionics, px., etc.

DC-8 17th June 2006 23:12

Could any Airbus pilot (or other composite aircraft pilot) tell us how do their plane conduct electricity through the fuselage to the static dischargers?

And another question: If in metalic aircrafts the damage caused by a lightning strike may be a little hole of about 2mm, how severe is the damage in a composite acft?

TopBunk 18th June 2006 03:53

AFAIK, the fuselage on all current generation Airbus products is metallic.

captjns 18th June 2006 08:00


Originally Posted by DC-8
Thinking about static electricity... this question came to my mind:

How do aircrafts with fuselage made of composite conduct static electricity through it (e.g. Airbus)?

If you know of any Airbus engineers, talk to them. They may even be able to break out one of their maintenance manuals to provide you with a detailed example.

DC-8 18th June 2006 09:55


Originally Posted by TopBunk
AFAIK, the fuselage on all current generation Airbus products is metallic.

Yes! You're right TopBunk, I've been looking for some info about Airbus structures and I found that composite materials in the 320 are just a 10%, much less than I used to think!

However the 380 contains a 25% of composites, and the 350 will contain a 35% (wings, rear fuselage and tail cone).

But anyway, I still have the doubt of lightning strikes damage in composite structures...

For more info: http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...materials.html

Thanks!

ICT_SLB 18th June 2006 23:02

Composite construction is present on the majority of current aircraft - it's just the percentage that is getting higher. Most aircraft have a thin copper mesh embedded under the gel coat to provide the required lightning and electrostatic protection. Bonding straps or metal to metal connections to main structure provide the necessary continuity to ground for the panel. Static wicks are normally attached to some metallic structure as they require low bonding resistance.

All-composite aircraft such as the Starship have particular problems as they require all power returns to be brought back to grounding plates near the power supplies as there is no convenient metal structure. It will be interesting to see how Boeing gets over this on the 787 especially with the "all-electric aircraft" requirement for very large amounts of power.

DC-8 19th June 2006 10:34


Originally Posted by ICT_SLB
Most aircraft have a thin copper mesh embedded under the gel coat to provide the required lightning and electrostatic protection.

So that's the trick... Thanks for your reply!

nzmarty 19th June 2006 10:47

some aircraft with high amounts of carbon fibre or other composites have a strip embedded in the gelcoat, which is in turn earthed to the nearest metallic part of the airframe, and usually ends in a static wick.

and yes, the strips on the radome are 'diverter' strips, diverting electrical energy to the metgallic airframe. any lightening strike into the radar head could end up with the radar screen blowing in the cockpit (along with everything else!) - not a good look.

nzmarty 19th June 2006 10:48

apologies for the double post.....

Ejector 20th June 2006 10:43

Thanks folks for the info.
So, I presume that the nose, (leading edge of the plane) doesn't have an ice problem then? Is that because it's so 'blunt'?

EJ

Mad (Flt) Scientist 20th June 2006 12:09


Originally Posted by Ejector
Thanks folks for the info.
So, I presume that the nose, (leading edge of the plane) doesn't have an ice problem then? Is that because it's so 'blunt'?
EJ

You'll get some quite impressive ice shapes on the nose if you wait long enough in icing, but the effect of ice on the nose (compared to, say, wing or tail) is relatively minor.


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