Dirty Sanchez - ESOPS, sounds like a fable to me!

Haha ScienceDoc, at least it looks interesting... ;) Of course I still wouldn´t fly it, but yeah... at least it would look interesting. ;)

ETOPS = Engines Running Or Passengers Swimming

In my 40 years I've had 2 totally unrecoverable, complete engine failures in turbine engined airline aircraft, one upon Rotation, the other in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere.

In the first case I thank God that an airline CEO, TWA's Charles Fry, had the wisdom and foresight to insist upon a set of certification rules that lead to FAR 25, thus saving numerous lives down the following decades.

In the second case, I thank God that latter day Airline CEOs have not yet found out that single engined airliners may be more economical to operate, and that, on average, a 20 year career before death FOR EACH PILOT is an acceptable risk. In your average large airline that's only 3 to 4 additional fatal crashes per year, definately acceptable to the bean counters.

Mr. Fry would roll over in his grave.

This is a humbug thread.

Old Smokey