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paraman 21st June 2001 15:06

NDB/ILS/DME approach - what's the difference?
 
OK, call me stupid, but I'm confused. What's the difference between an NDB/ILS /DME approach and the ordinary bog-standard ILS/DME?
An example is the one into Sumburgh.

Bally Heck 21st June 2001 15:47

OK Stupid.

An NDB/DME/ILS approach uses the NDB/DME procedure to position onto the LLZ. An ILS/DME without an attached VOR or NDB procedure is usually positioned by radar or possibly on a DME arc from another facility.

:-}

bookworm 21st June 2001 16:41

I'm struggling to find a procedure designated NDB/ILS/DME in the UK. Can you give an example?

bookworm 21st June 2001 16:51


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">OK, call me stupid, but I'm confused. What's the difference between an NDB/ILS /DME approach and the ordinary bog-standard ILS/DME?
An example is the one into Sumburgh.</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Can you give an example?</font>
And you want me to call you "stupid? :)

It's entitled "NDB to ILS/DME" in the Aerads. However I can find no material difference between that and examples of "ILS/DME" with an NDB as the IAF.

FlapsOne 21st June 2001 18:34

Luton NDB/ILS/DME 26.

paraman 21st June 2001 20:03

OK, I was asking for that. The difference seems to lie in the labelling - i.e. if Aerad
says NDB to ILS/DME it all makes sense after all! I'd only seen the Jepps plate.
Ta.

bookworm 22nd June 2001 11:36

I'm not sure it does make sense, paraman!

The Sumburgh approach, labelled 'NDB to ILS/DME Rwy 27' uses the SBH NDB as an IAF and has a teardrop pattern to the localiser. It has optional DME arcs for 'direct arrivals'.

Cambridge has an 'ILS/DME Rwy 23' approach which uses the CAM NDB as an IAF and has a teardrop pattern to the localiser. It has optional DME arcs for 'direct arrivals'.

I can't detect a material difference in the nature of the procedures, yet one has a 'NDB to' in the title, and the other does not.


Tinstaafl 22nd June 2001 23:52

Australia's 'Departure & Approach Procedures' ie Oz equivalent to UK Aerad & USA NOAS approach charts: If a navigation aid is used in the title then it is a required aid for the approach.

Can't remember if that applies to the Oz edition of Jepps or to Aerads, NOAS or local Jepp publications.


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