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RMC 14th Mar 2024 18:07

Descend via the nearest pole
 
Is this only applicable to contingencies in the Northern Hemisphere (South ascend North descend - SAND) Should we descend towards the South pole in the Southern Hemisphere?

sonicbum 14th Mar 2024 19:58


Originally Posted by RMC (Post 11615833)
Is this only applicable to contingencies in the Northern Hemisphere (South ascend North descend - SAND) Should we descend towards the South pole in the Southern Hemisphere?

Just follow the tropopause.

Gets higher towards the equator and lower towards the poles -> climb if turning towards the equator, descend if turning towards the poles.

LOWI 14th Mar 2024 20:22

Who's descending down whose pole?

Xray4277 14th Mar 2024 20:47

I don't understand the question...

sonicbum 14th Mar 2024 21:36

Should be weather deviation in oceanic airspace > contingency.

Rusty1 16th Mar 2024 01:54

Just follow the tropopause.!!!!
Wrong and dangerous advice……

Alex Whittingham 20th Mar 2024 08:50

I'm guessing... garbled acceleration errors on a direct reading compass? see PPRuNe

Checkboard 20th Mar 2024 11:50

Deviations from track when in the North Atlantic Track System?

https://skybrary.aero/articles/north...ns-contingency


Alex Whittingham 20th Mar 2024 12:08

aha! Thank you. Severe wx avoidance without clearance deviating more than 5 NM from track. The SAND acronym got me.
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sonicbum 21st Mar 2024 11:16


Originally Posted by Rusty1 (Post 11616813)
Just follow the tropopause.!!!!
Wrong and dangerous advice……

Great. Why?

Rusty1 21st Mar 2024 13:52

Because it does not work in the Southern Hemisphere nor South of the equator.
The ICAO weather deviation procedure is for all worldwide oceanic airspace not just NAT HLA.

sonicbum 21st Mar 2024 18:18


Originally Posted by Rusty1 (Post 11620779)
Because it does not work in the Southern Hemisphere nor South of the equator.
The ICAO weather deviation procedure is for all worldwide oceanic airspace not just NAT HLA.

No, it does not indeed but we are all very much aware that this -like many others- is just a mnemonic rule of thumb which could, by the way, become unusable tomorrow morning if procedures change even in the Northern Hemisphere. No need to get excited, people still look at their contingencies for different airspaces before thinking about acronyms.


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