Descend via the nearest pole

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14th March 2024 | 18:07
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Is this only applicable to contingencies in the Northern Hemisphere (South ascend North descend - SAND) Should we descend towards the South pole in the Southern Hemisphere?
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14th March 2024 | 19:58
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Quote: Is this only applicable to contingencies in the Northern Hemisphere (South ascend North descend - SAND) Should we descend towards the South pole in the Southern Hemisphere?
Just follow the tropopause.

Gets higher towards the equator and lower towards the poles -> climb if turning towards the equator, descend if turning towards the poles.
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14th March 2024 | 20:22
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Who's descending down whose pole?
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14th March 2024 | 20:47
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I don't understand the question...
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14th March 2024 | 21:36
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Should be weather deviation in oceanic airspace > contingency.
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16th March 2024 | 01:54
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Just follow the tropopause.!!!!
Wrong and dangerous advice……
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20th March 2024 | 08:50
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I'm guessing... garbled acceleration errors on a direct reading compass? see PPRuNe
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20th March 2024 | 11:50
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Deviations from track when in the North Atlantic Track System?

https://skybrary.aero/articles/north...ns-contingency

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20th March 2024 | 12:08
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aha! Thank you. Severe wx avoidance without clearance deviating more than 5 NM from track. The SAND acronym got me.
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21st March 2024 | 11:16
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Quote: Just follow the tropopause.!!!!
Wrong and dangerous advice……
Great. Why?
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21st March 2024 | 13:52
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Because it does not work in the Southern Hemisphere nor South of the equator.
The ICAO weather deviation procedure is for all worldwide oceanic airspace not just NAT HLA.
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21st March 2024 | 18:18
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Quote: Because it does not work in the Southern Hemisphere nor South of the equator.
The ICAO weather deviation procedure is for all worldwide oceanic airspace not just NAT HLA.
No, it does not indeed but we are all very much aware that this -like many others- is just a mnemonic rule of thumb which could, by the way, become unusable tomorrow morning if procedures change even in the Northern Hemisphere. No need to get excited, people still look at their contingencies for different airspaces before thinking about acronyms.
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