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Check Airman 31st Dec 2019 19:50

Why do the re-engined narrowbodies get new type designations?
 
Hi all,

Does anyone know why the neo and max planes have a different type designator? A320->A20N and B738->B38M. As far as ATC goes, the performance is essentially identical, and in the cockpit the systems are similar.

lomapaseo 31st Dec 2019 21:17

You need to define what you mean by performance. If it's as simple a $$ per seat mile, it has no relationship to Cert basis.

If it's altitude and/or stall characteristics than likely a designator etc.

pattern_is_full 31st Dec 2019 22:10

Type designators are used for planning by airports and fire services (ARFF), as well as ATC.

I'd guess any notable changes in characteristics or dimensions such as weights, door heights, engine ground clearance (e.g. neo and Max), sharklet-heights, fueling points, internal aisle widths, etc. are going to be worth flagging for those ground planners.

Even if they are unimportant in 99.9% of ground operations, there may always be one gate somewhere where the little differences could result in a ripped sharklet or a dented nacelle, unless designated.

DaveReidUK 1st Jan 2020 08:33


Originally Posted by pattern_is_full (Post 10651211)
Type designators are used for planning by airports and fire services (ARFF), as well as ATC.

I'd guess any notable changes in characteristics or dimensions such as weights, door heights, engine ground clearance (e.g. neo and Max), sharklet-heights, fueling points, internal aisle widths, etc. are going to be worth flagging for those ground planners.

Even if they are unimportant in 99.9% of ground operations, there may always be one gate somewhere where the little differences could result in a ripped sharklet or a dented nacelle, unless designated.

All true, although many of those distinctions (sharklets, internal config, etc) are catered for by different IATA codes while still using the same ICAO designator.

Corrosion 1st Jan 2020 09:23

These differences mentioned is important for maintenance providers too, at least if company is having more than one customer to take care. Some operators let you in to their own systems, some not -> need to rely airport information system for times/types etc etc.
We have currently customer flying randomly A32x CEO and NEO. This need to be known before arrival just in case we need to do something, not all guys trained/approved CEO vs NEO. Same with 737 CL/NG.


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