B737 Takeoff with VNAV and LNAV disarmed
Hellow everyone, I am currently undergoing B737 and I got question to ask.
Let us say you were instructed to takeoff and fly runway heading soon after departure, when you hit TOGA, does HDG SEL automatically selected and shows up on FMA or is it after departure ? James |
yes. At least on the NG.
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It depends on the aircraft, as this is customer option.
It is either HDG SEL for takeoff, which means that as soon as you hit TOGA, you will get HDG SEL on the FMA, or it is wings level in which case the roll FMA will be blank. |
Customer options. Ours engage HDG SEL, but there is an airframe or two in the fleet that don't.
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As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10567251)
As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
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Originally Posted by Small cog
(Post 10567265)
If one is doing a course on the 737, why not ask your instructor? 2. There are also instructors here. |
As mentioned it depends. Certainly on the classics and on some NGs the HDG SEL will become active on the FMA at 400’ Until then the roll mode will be blank and FD bars will command wings level |
Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10567251)
As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10567251)
As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
But I have no respect for a pilot who chooses to “just fly the aeroplane” because he actually doesn’t know or understand his aeroplane. Chuck Yeager apparently would never fly an aircraft until he knew the flight manual by heart and could find every switch blindfolded. We’d all be wise to fully understand our aircraft systems before we get airborne and be forced to exercise our superior handling skills in an attempt to cover for our lack of study and knowledge. |
At my company all aircraft will stay in TOGA until a lateral/vertical mode is selected. For vector departures we set the heading and call for Heading Select at 400AGL or the charted turn altitude if higher.
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Wait.... what?? You can actually takeoff with the LNAV and VNAV disarmed?!
Next thing you'll be telling me is that we can fly this thing without Flight Directors! ;););) |
Flight Director addiction, like tobacco addiction, is a real health hazard.
I say that, having operated with one simulator instructor who screams at his students to "follow the bloody flight director" even though the aircraft is in a gross unusual attitude 30 degrees nose down in a spiral dive. |
Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10567251)
As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
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Originally Posted by Bergerie1
(Post 10567251)
As a very old fossil, why don't you just fly the aeroplane?
I've read e few reports where they don't use the ASI, but go by their "instincts" getting older. |
Originally Posted by ImbracableCrunk
(Post 10567941)
1. Why have this forum if not to ask questions? 2. There are also instructors here. |
Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 10578220)
I have a lot of respect for a pilot who is capable of “just flying the aeroplane” when required. But I have no respect for a pilot who chooses to “just fly the aeroplane” because he actually doesn’t know or understand his aeroplane. Chuck Yeager apparently would never fly an aircraft until he knew the flight manual by heart and could find every switch blindfolded. We’d all be wise to fully understand our aircraft systems before we get airborne and be forced to exercise our superior handling skills in an attempt to cover for our lack of study and knowledge. |
Originally Posted by jmmoric
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Old fossils are overrepresented in stall or spin during departure/landings :)
I've read e few reports where they don't use the ASI, but go by their "instincts" getting older. In my "old school" instrument training parlance, attitude and power are "control" instruments. Airspeed, altitude, heading, etc are "performance" instrument. You set the "control" instruments to the desired positions and then cross-check the "performance" instruments to see if you are getting the desired response. If something is out of whack, then you would first cross-check your attitude and power indicators and, if deemed reliable, continue to fly them and then determine if something is wrong with one of your performance indicators. This is a lesson that is easily forgotten in the age of modern airliners. Sadly, there are many pilots who don't get much beyond following the flight director commands, a method that probably works 98% of the time. It's that other 2% that will get you in trouble....... |
The P-51 flight manual was 78 pages. |
My understanding is the RYR don’t use VNAV for departure, cleaning up they flaps first before selecting it. |
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