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Airbus PM reads title of Normal Checklist?
I know it s small thing , but in your operation does the PM read the title of a Normal Checklist before launching into it ? or do they just launch into it straight away ?
eg PF "Approach checklist" PM "Approach checklist , Briefing ?" OR PM "Briefing" Anything written on this ? Or thoughts? |
Not in my outfit.
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No, it is not there. |
Any reference for that? I beg to differ. |
coming to grips with the non essentials
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Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36
(Post 10318950)
coming to grips with the non essentials
To be technically correct, isn't it "Getting to grips with the non-essentials"? :D |
To be technically correct, isn't it "Getting to grips with the non-essentials"? or as Turning Final says... Back to Pommie Land for a dose of ELP 6 for you, CA! :) :ok: :D |
Non Airbus here but we call the title of the checklist: PF : Descent Checklist PM: Descent Checklist A B C Descent checklist completed. |
Probably because it is a non-Airbus thing?
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 10319054)
No! "Getting a grip on the non-essentials" !!
or as Turning Final says... Back to Pommie Land for a dose of ELP 6 for you, CA! :) :ok: :D I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't descended into the pedantry that sometimes accompanies these questions. |
Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10319197)
Probably because it is a non-Airbus thing?
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Mea culpa, you guys are right. I was trained to announce the C/L since the single engine piston days, but it is NOT written down.
FCTM > PRO > NOR > GEN > E: Use of Normal Checklist FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > B: Checklist Callouts FCOM > PRO > NOR > SOP > Standard Calls > I: Summary for each phase |
Flight Detent - None of those references says the PM should announce the title of checklist again before reading it. Lets use a bit of airmanship here guys unless your company SOP’s dictate otherwise. |
Because I was wrong. The links are only provided for reference, so it is easier to make own conclusions for everyone. Three locations, and not a mention of the C/L title.
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Originally Posted by TPE Flyer
(Post 10319501)
I have flown for 3 airlines, all Airbus. After PF calls for the checklist, none of them call the Checklist title when reading the checklist by PM.
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's. For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist? I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read. Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking? I also see skippers reading the title and then the wrong checklist but that's because they don't read it; Just repeat it after the PF called for it. Should not happen if the guy wait to actually identify the title in the checklist then read the items. |
When you say SOP, is it actually written in your manuals? Or, is it just a technique taught? Some people misinterpret technique for SOP. My biggest issue is pilots calling check list items by memory, a very unprofessional trait where I’m working. |
Originally Posted by AviatoR21
(Post 10319677)
When you say SOP, is it actually written in your manuals? Or, is it just a technique taught? Some people misinterpret technique for SOP. My biggest issue is pilots calling check list items by memory, a very unprofessional trait where I’m working. Yeah, it's written black and white in our SOP manual. |
Originally Posted by TPE Flyer
To the original poster, how about just read your airline's FCOM and follow it, instead of introducing procedures and techniques from other airlines and try to pass it off as SOP.
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The reading of the title is a human factors thing. Even if you don’t read it, you do realise you’re a dill a lot earlier when you do start reading the incorrect checklist. In saying that, it’s also a good human factors thing when the other guy or gal gives you a funny look to tell you you are a dill. Nothing like some honest communication. At the end of the day it’s how we use checklists which is the problem. Especially when they are repetitive, and youre doing 5 sectors in a duty. We just don’t do it well in many respects. |
Originally Posted by TPE Flyer
(Post 10319501)
I have flown for 3 airlines, all Airbus. After PF calls for the checklist, none of them call the Checklist title when reading the checklist by PM.
It is written very clearly in their respective FCOM SOP's. For clarity, can someone explain to me the benefit/rationale for reading the title, before reading the checklist? I have had pilots read the title and then read the wrong checklist, so it can't to make sure the correct checklist is being read. Considering some guys on here object to having to call the FMA, why do we then encourage other superfluous talking? |
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