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PGA 4th Apr 2017 04:02

Airbus guarded switches colour
 
Hi,

Does anybody know why some guarded switches on the Airbus or red while others are black? A possible reference would be appreciated!

Thanks!

FlightDetent 4th Apr 2017 07:55

The red ones provide for non-reversible actions.

I just made that up, yet strongly believe that it the case. No reference :)

E. Mach 4th Apr 2017 08:01

Red- Action on this switch is irreversible.
Black- Action on this switch is reversible.

:ok:

PGA 4th Apr 2017 13:07

Thats what me and my colleague came up with as well...

However on the 380 the AC ESS override is guarded red but reversible...
Equally you can stop fuel jettison, so even though close it's not conclusive...

Appreciate the input!

Feather44 4th Apr 2017 18:24

for the A320, FCTM OP 040 ECAM HANDLING:

"in general, all guarded switches must be xchecked by pf & pm (except on grd) to prevent the flight crew from performing irreversible actions"

however, they don't say anything about the colours.

i will tend to agree with emach: Red- Action on this switch is irreversible. Black- Action on this switch is reversible.

JRK110 4th Apr 2017 19:32


Originally Posted by PGA (Post 9729227)
Equally you can stop fuel jettison, so even though close it's not conclusive...

True...but you can't get the fuel back.

NutLoose 4th Apr 2017 22:07

I was just going to say that.

GlobalNav 4th Apr 2017 22:13

"Red" is required by regulation for emergency controls, i.e., controls used only for emergency procedures. see 25.1555

ESCAT 6th Apr 2017 19:52

For what it's worth, the FCTM for the A350 sheds a little light on the Airbus Guarded Switch philosophy:

"...The flight crew must crosscheck the above-listed controls, in order to prevent any inadvertent action by the flight crew with irreversible effects (i.e. when the flight crew operates red guarded controls). If the flight crew inadvertently operates a black guarded control, the subsequent effect is reversible."

This is from A350 FCTM, AOP-30, "HANDLING OF COCKPIT CONTROLS".

Effectively, on the A350 anyway, the red guarded switched are irreversible, black guarded are reversible.

This obviously isn't necessarily applicable to all airbus aircraft, but it certainly gives some insight into the general Guarded Switch philosophy, and does appear to hold up for the A330.

EZMunk 10th Apr 2017 05:12

I was told during ground school that the black guarded switches are more related with maintenance action whereas the red ones are to be controlled during flight in abnormal and emergencies.

Metro man 10th Apr 2017 18:36

Red can't be reversed, such as RAT deployment. Black, you need to be sure of such as MAN engine start or EVAC command.

Mgggpilot 21st Apr 2017 13:25


Originally Posted by ESCAT (Post 9731666)
This obviously isn't necessarily applicable to all airbus aircraft, but it certainly gives some insight into the general Guarded Switch philosophy, and does appear to hold up for the A330.

It now holds for all Airbuses A320 including

mcdhu 21st Apr 2017 14:27

I was told that the Eng and APU Fire Pbs were reversible. They are in the sim - without a "Systems Reset". There is nothing to that effect in the FCOM (unless you know differently) and one would have to be in a lot of trouble to even consider relighting a damaged engine.
Does anyone have any information which might confirm or contradict this assertion?

Goldenrivett 21st Apr 2017 15:03

Hi mcdhu,

I can't find the official incident report of BA 9 24 June 1982 but from memory and confirmed by wikipedia, No 4 engine failed first and the Fire Engine Checklist was completed as far as pulling the FCH and arming the bottles. After the remaining 3 engines had also failed (I guess that would count as "one would have to be in a lot of trouble to even consider relighting a damaged engine"), the first engine to be relit was No 4. Fortunately Flt Engineer Barry Townley-Freeman re-stowed the FCH (not in the QRH relight procedure) - so well done Barry.

tubby linton 21st Apr 2017 15:12

We have one A320 which has a High Altitude Landing pb and it has a Red guard.Obviously the switch has a reversible action.It reschedules the altitude at which Pax 02 deploys

Sidestick_n_Rudder 21st Apr 2017 18:17

I'd guess when you switch it OFF when in High Altitude envelope, you get 'rubber jungle' in the cabin. So it is kinda irreversible...

ACMS 22nd Apr 2017 12:56

On the A330 there are 2 red guarded switches that are reverseable.
Ditching PB and the AC essential feed PB.

dream747 23rd Apr 2017 10:07

Black guarded switches are reversible, red ones are not.

Reference is from the latest FCTM 22 march 2017.

Skogafoss331 6th Jun 2017 14:38

Red - Once pressed can be re-set only on ground !
Black - Once pressed can be re-set on air and some used for maintenance.

Escape Path 13th Jun 2017 23:20


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 9748927)
On the A330 there are 2 red guarded switches that are reverseable.
Ditching PB and the AC essential feed PB.

Ditching pb is black on the A320.

The reversible-non reversible philosophy seems to be valid for the A320


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