TCAS alt readout
Anyone aware of tables/formulas/algorithm, etc for figuring out the delay/lag between altitude observed on a TCAS from another aircraft to its actual altitude in a climb or descent?
Simply put, I see an aircraft on my TCAS at 10,000 but climbing/descending, is there a formula published for determining the difference in altitude between what it's at and what I'm seeing on my TCAS? Before it's pointed out to me that has no practical application for in flight use, I recognize that. The question came up while killing time on a long flight. |
Internally, TCAS calculates the future position and if there is a conflict.
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Yup, but not what I'm looking for.
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Did not find it yet
but tried here:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...%2020-151A.pdf maybe you will be more thorough. FD. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 9288157)
Anyone aware of tables/formulas/algorithm, etc for figuring out the delay/lag between altitude observed on a TCAS from another aircraft to its actual altitude in a climb or descent?
Simply put, I see an aircraft on my TCAS at 10,000 but climbing/descending, is there a formula published for determining the difference in altitude between what it's at and what I'm seeing on my TCAS? Before it's pointed out to me that has no practical application for in flight use, I recognize that. The question came up while killing time on a long flight. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 9288157)
Anyone aware of tables/formulas/algorithm, etc for figuring out the delay/lag between altitude observed on a TCAS from another aircraft to its actual altitude in a climb or descent?
Simply put, I see an aircraft on my TCAS at 10,000 but climbing/descending, is there a formula published for determining the difference in altitude between what it's at and what I'm seeing on my TCAS? Before it's pointed out to me that has no practical application for in flight use, I recognize that. The question came up while killing time on a long flight. That formula will give you the altitude of the other aircraft at any moment. The difficulty is determining the value of those variables. |
Originally Posted by A Squared
(Post 9291528)
Yes: Reported altitude + Climb rate X ( Transmitting Transponder system latency + Radio propagation delay + Receiving TCAS system latency)
That formula will give you the altitude of the other aircraft at any moment. The difficulty is determining the value of those variables. |
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 9288276)
If there was such a predictable formula then don't you think it would be utilised in the TCAS itself to give the most accurate information?
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Quote: Originally Posted by A Squared View Post Yes: Reported altitude + Climb rate X ( Transmitting Transponder system latency + Radio propagation delay + Receiving TCAS system latency) That formula will give you the altitude of the other aircraft at any moment. The difficulty is determining the value of those variables. Radio propagation delay <1millisecond Receiving TCAS system latency [the display works on a 1s refresh so that is the maximum latency] So potentially the height data is maximum 1101milliseconds old. At 5000ft per minute that's around 92ft as a maximum. But as an average probably much less. This is simply for the display of course. The internal tracking algorithms of the TCAS unit are not constrained to the 1s refresh rate. |
Well, I would wonder about that latency, given the latency in the GPS position.
Depending on the system, they handle they track and handle the threats differently, hence, there is a proprietary factor as well. |
Originally Posted by Dont Hang Up
(Post 9291830)
Transmitting Transponder system latency < 100 milliseconds (mainly the refresh rate of the altitude from the air data computer. The internal interrogation / reply processing of the Transponder will be small in comparison)
Radio propagation delay <1millisecond Receiving TCAS system latency [the display works on a 1s refresh so that is the maximum latency] So potentially the height data is maximum 1101milliseconds old. At 5000ft per minute that's around 92ft as a maximum. But as an average probably much less. This is simply for the display of course. The internal tracking algorithms of the TCAS unit are not constrained to the 1s refresh rate. |
Well, I would wonder about that latency, given the latency in the GPS position. Altitude is barometric. Range and range rate are calculated from interrogation pings. Direction is highly approximate and for pilot situational awareness only. Depending on the system, they handle they track and handle the threats differently, hence, there is a proprietary factor as well. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 9288157)
Anyone aware of tables/formulas/algorithm, etc for figuring out the delay/lag between altitude observed on a TCAS from another aircraft to its actual altitude in a climb or descent?
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Originally Posted by JammedStab
(Post 9299611)
Where I come from, we call the formula PFM.
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I suppose Pretty, Fluffy, Meaningful it is not. :E
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