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james ozzie 27th Apr 2007 20:19

727 vomit comet - how do you fly it?
 
Stephen Hawking's recent jolly got me thinking - yes, we all know that it flies a parabolic hump but how does one do that? It is probably easy enough to say "pressure on bum - stick forward; pressure off bum, stick back" but I assume this is not accurate enough to prevent the floating pax being bumped around against the cabin floor & roof. Could one perhaps tape a pingpong ball on a string to the overhead console & work the stick to keep the ball floating?(!!!) Also what about the pull out? - it must get to some rather severe attitudes and gees at the end of the ride - I guess they had poor old Hawking well protected during that phase of the ride?

XPMorten 27th Apr 2007 21:33

http://www.astronomicaltours.net/ZeroG/airplane.htm

The major modification enabling the Boeing 727 to conduct Weightless Flight involves an upgrade to the aircraft’s hydraulic system. The modification allows for continuous hydraulic pressure during the performance of parabolas. The modification, along with the addition of accelerometers in the cockpit, were tested and approved by the FAA under a Supplemental Type Certificate (STC).

http://www.astronomicaltours.net/Zer...olaDiagram.jpg

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barit1 27th Apr 2007 21:56

My questions are more along the maintenance line:

Since the structural load cycles between 0.0 and 1.8G several times per flight, is each parabola counted as a flight cycle?

Does engine oil pressure drop due to pump cavitation, and are the bearings tolerant of brief loss of cooling flow of oil; or is there a positive feed mod?

:8

bflyer 27th Apr 2007 23:37

HI
i've been flying the 727 for almost three years now and every minute of it was pure joy.......well almost all.
The old girl doing parabolas with astronauts aboard..amazing what a good platform will do

Wizofoz 28th Apr 2007 04:38

I used to enjoy doing Zero G arcs in Aerobatic aircraft.

I always found the hard part wasn't maintaining zero G vertically, but laterally. Zeor G=Zero induced drag, so the aircraft has a tendency to accelerate.

I'd be interested to know what thrust setting they need to maintain a zero acceleration during the arcs in the 727.

RatherBeFlying 28th Apr 2007 13:32

I suspect the engines would be at constant power to save fiddling, but you will get linear acceleration +- all through the maneuver.

The downline builds airspeed while the pullup and upline dissipate it.
Likely not that much linear accel during the 0G segment.

Now for a bit of entertainment -- what is the 0G stall speed?

Pontius's Copilot 28th Apr 2007 14:15

My immediate unthinking response is that there isn't one, because the wing is not generating lift it cannot suffer the loss of lift at stall. ? ? ?

Standing by to be shot down.

BOAC 28th Apr 2007 15:44

Correct - an aircraft wing cannot stall in a 0g manouevre like that. A well-known 'get-out-of-jail' ticket for those who have overcooked it a bit in combat.:). It gives you time for the thrust to increase your speed a bit.

However, in the 1.8 g pull-out...............................

barit1 28th Apr 2007 23:28


I'd be interested to know what thrust setting they need to maintain a zero acceleration during the arcs in the 727.
I've pondered this just a bit, and since they want zero longitudinal acceleration (as well as other axes) then a thrust just equalling drag is the correct answer.

Given that as altitude increases, speed bleeds off, then thrust must decrease too as does drag. Similarly, after rounding over the top, as airspeed increases, so must thrust.

But lower air density over the top means that thrust is dropping without any throttle movement. Whether the density falloff coincides with the speed/drag/thrust requirement I'm not sure, but as a first approximation I'd say little throttle motion is needed. :8

Further enlightenment welcome!


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