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320DRIVER 27th Nov 2000 15:33

Aircraft washing
 
Is external washing of aircraft a maintenance procedure, i.e. laid down in the AMM to be carried out by qualified personnel?


Genghis the Engineer 27th Nov 2000 17:55

Surprisingly not, it is certainly a skilled job, but there's no specific qualifications for the job.

G

aviatorpk 27th Nov 2000 21:07

A washed aircraft saves fuel.

320DRIVER 27th Nov 2000 21:38

Wouldn't like too see a person without an aviation background directing a high-pressure water jet into the air data ports :)

spannersatcx 28th Nov 2000 00:48

That's why all ports/probes etc are blanked first. Just got to make sure they all come off again after the wash!!

320DRIVER 28th Nov 2000 02:27

That's exactly what I meant. If it were a maintenance procedure, I would guess that there would be a jobcard to prepare the aicraft before washing, and then to ensure that all blanks etc. are removed on completion.

spannersatcx 28th Nov 2000 15:35

320Driver, there are or should be aircraft wash prep and post wash work cards that WILL be signed by an authorised/approved person. The actual task as such is normally carried out by companies with dedicated a/c wash teams, although they are not likely to be a/c mech/tech or eng. Depending on the type of wash it may neccessitate, landing gear and/or flying control re-lubrication.
Post wash card should include checking all the ports/probes etc.

Maint99 1st Dec 2000 10:48

Amen to that, Spanners. At one company I worked for, the guys washing the a/c were the same guys cleaning the lunchroom. Knew about cleaning...knew $hit about aircraft!!

They washed one, one night, and decided to cover the static ports with masking tape, which when soaked becomes nearly invisible when on a titanium surface. They forgot to remove it, and it was missed on subsequent walk-arounds. At the time, there was no work card in force for washing the a/c. The a/c went flying with a full load of pax. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif F/O noticed no increase in indicated altitude, but noticed the trees were getting smaller!! Capt declared an emergency, a/c landed safely. Luckily, wx was cavok.

Just proves a point... NO-ONE should be allowed to do ANYTHING to an aircraft without the proper training. By the way, the company , at the stern insistance of Transport Canada, had a work card done up the next day!!
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Genghis the Engineer 1st Dec 2000 13:23

It might be usefully reserved as a duty for badly behaved techs. Better still, as a duty for pilots who have transgressed.

I used to work next to an airfield fire station, where the chief fireman seemed to use washing the fire engines in that way to good effect.

G

Smurfjet 1st Dec 2000 21:27

Jus one question from little planes flyer, how do you miss the static ports? I take lots of care to theck all my instruments probes!!

Regards

InitRef 1st Dec 2000 23:02

Smurfjet - In relation to dangers highlighted above -
After washing an AeroPeru 757, workers did not remove adhesive tape that obstructed static ports. Occurred in 1996 near Lima, Peru. 70 people perished in that accident.

Not washing per se but improper or lack of procedures wrt ports, Birgenair 757 of Puerto Plata in Dominican Republic (c 1996) stalled due to incorrect airspeed warnings - subsequently causing the crew to ignore stall warnings. The probable cause of obstruction was surmised to be mud/debris from small insect(s) introduced to the pitot tube during the 20 days that the a/c was on the ground. The pitot-static system was not verified prior to re-introduction to service.

Smurfjet 2nd Dec 2000 01:04

InitRef-

Maybe I wasen't clear :) I asked how can you miss to check the ports during the walkaround? I only do it on cessna and pipers, would like to hear from the bigger guys...

Luftwaffle 2nd Dec 2000 01:31

Smurfjet, the static ports on a 757 are too high above the ground to be verified clear on a simple walkaround.

All day breakfast 2nd Dec 2000 04:13

In the bad old days (sorry that's good!), I washed Pipers at the weekends in return for flying. It'll take years to wipe out that debt! I missed the static ports because I'd probably be flying the beauty the next day.

Fast Jet Wannabe 3rd Dec 2000 03:33

KLMuk have by far the safest attitude to washing their aircraft - they just don't bother!

Speaking from a STN based point of view that is.

FJW.

lymanm 3rd Dec 2000 13:09

Actually, there in the US, there IS a legal requirement to wash the aircraft prior to maitenance. When doing an annual or 100 HR FAR Part 43, Appendix D:

(a) Each person performing an annual or 100-hour inspection shall, before
that inspection, remove or open all necessary inspection plates, access
doors, fairing, and cowling. He shall thoroughly clean the aircraft and
aircraft engine.

Now, I'm not sure how this translates into airline maintenance (part 121 ops)... Now, of course, whether this reg is put into practice is another issue altogether!!!!

Cheers

WenWe 5th Dec 2000 05:50

Don't think I've seen any aircraft being washed with pitot/static ports covered at my base (this includes most independant & charter operators as well as Big Airways).
Lubrication is only needed post-washing if the L/G or slat/flap mechanisms have been cleaned, washing all the grease out.

Nightstop 5th Dec 2000 13:21

FJW, KLMuk aircraft at ALL bases are washed regularly. However, the blue/white FK100 is more prone to soiling of the starboard vertical stabaliser than other aircraft in the fleet due to APU exhaust efflux. The yellow 146's and 737's look brilliant as the sun rises over deepest Essex, don't you think?

100LL 9th Dec 2000 04:12

I don’t know whether its me but I think that you spot a whole lot more when you wash Aircraft especially when maintenance is being carried out.
I agree with Genghis “as a duty for pilots who have transgressed”.

“Remember Aircraft belong to the Engineers PILOTS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO USE THEM IF THEY PROMISE TO BE Careful”


[This message has been edited by 100LL (edited 09 December 2000).]

Fast Jet Wannabe 14th Dec 2000 03:10

Nightstop,

Yes I have to admit that the Buzz fleet really do look very smart and always clean in their yellow livery. My comment about the F100's was made very tongue-in-cheek.

Happy flying!

FJW.


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