B787 CM1 seat limited recline
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B787 CM1 seat limited recline
Hello everyone flying B787s!
Basic question, how do you feel about boeing limiting the reclination of CM1 seat? apparently its due to the interference of the decompression door panel with the captains head is such event. Basically if the panel releases and the captain is too far reclined it can hit his head.Well, a diagram of how to advoid this its been in the manual forever, basically dont recline/back the seat beyond a certain point and there will be no conflict. I am 190cm tall and with full reclining and watching the limits, I am still able to recline the seat fully backward and adovid the "danger zone"
Well apparently this is not enough for boeing lawyers and forced the engineers to lock the seat to a state where its impossible to rest at all. your back its almost fully right angled. To me, this is a totally lack of thrust to pilots, we can handle engine fire switches but not the seat. Power naps ara paramount to the safety of medium/long night flights. It's the base of a proper managed threats that occur every single flight.
Anyone has more info on this issue and if boeing offers other solutions to airlines apart from locking the seat?
Basic question, how do you feel about boeing limiting the reclination of CM1 seat? apparently its due to the interference of the decompression door panel with the captains head is such event. Basically if the panel releases and the captain is too far reclined it can hit his head.Well, a diagram of how to advoid this its been in the manual forever, basically dont recline/back the seat beyond a certain point and there will be no conflict. I am 190cm tall and with full reclining and watching the limits, I am still able to recline the seat fully backward and adovid the "danger zone"
Well apparently this is not enough for boeing lawyers and forced the engineers to lock the seat to a state where its impossible to rest at all. your back its almost fully right angled. To me, this is a totally lack of thrust to pilots, we can handle engine fire switches but not the seat. Power naps ara paramount to the safety of medium/long night flights. It's the base of a proper managed threats that occur every single flight.
Anyone has more info on this issue and if boeing offers other solutions to airlines apart from locking the seat?
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A350 has similar problem but just has an energy absorbing deceleration strap on the door. Hardly beyond the wit of man for Boeing to do the same.
They're being a bit funky at the moment with things like this (maybe FAA led?) as we've also been evicted from the OFCR (for TTOL) due to the fact that the emergency escape hatch lands in a seat with a sliding door and apparently THE WORLD WILL END if someone escapes into this seat while there's a passenger there.
They're being a bit funky at the moment with things like this (maybe FAA led?) as we've also been evicted from the OFCR (for TTOL) due to the fact that the emergency escape hatch lands in a seat with a sliding door and apparently THE WORLD WILL END if someone escapes into this seat while there's a passenger there.
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The Boeing seats are surprisingly very uncomfortable as is and they are only making it unbearable.
The Yanks are big guys, especially on the wide body, this aircraft was designed by the same country as the La-Z boys and this is really the best they could come up with!
I used to fly the Airbus before and only since I started flying the 787, I have had severe back and neck pain. The pain management doctor I had to see for my back, used to work in Dubai before, Apparently this is a common complain with the 777 guys at Emirates too.
KLM, BA and others have strongly objected to this AD. Let's hope FAA comes up with a better solution.
Does anyone know how to appeal against this directly with the FAA? Start a petition perhaps? I'm sure no pilot wants this.
The Yanks are big guys, especially on the wide body, this aircraft was designed by the same country as the La-Z boys and this is really the best they could come up with!
I used to fly the Airbus before and only since I started flying the 787, I have had severe back and neck pain. The pain management doctor I had to see for my back, used to work in Dubai before, Apparently this is a common complain with the 777 guys at Emirates too.
KLM, BA and others have strongly objected to this AD. Let's hope FAA comes up with a better solution.
Does anyone know how to appeal against this directly with the FAA? Start a petition perhaps? I'm sure no pilot wants this.
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The Boeing seats are surprisingly very uncomfortable as is and they are only making it unbearable.
The Yanks are big guys, especially on the wide body, this aircraft was designed by the same country as the La-Z boys and this is really the best they could come up with!
I used to fly the Airbus before and only since I started flying the 787, I have had severe back and neck pain. The pain management doctor I had to see for my back, used to work in Dubai before, Apparently this is a common complain with the 777 guys at Emirates too.
The Yanks are big guys, especially on the wide body, this aircraft was designed by the same country as the La-Z boys and this is really the best they could come up with!
I used to fly the Airbus before and only since I started flying the 787, I have had severe back and neck pain. The pain management doctor I had to see for my back, used to work in Dubai before, Apparently this is a common complain with the 777 guys at Emirates too.
Boeing are essentially seating you in the same seat they designed in the 1950s for the 707. Unbelievable. Imagine a modern-day haulage driver having to put up with a 1950's truck seat for 16 hours, transporting goods on the road?
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So it's not OK for someone to be reclined in position where the door will miss their head (because we do it in such a way to be compliant) when the decompression occurs (has to be in the flight deck of course), but if you happen to be standing in front of the door when said event occurs then thats ok - The door I'm sure would do some serious damage to the person standing next to it checking the spy hole...
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So it's not OK for someone to be reclined in position where the door will miss their head (because we do it in such a way to be compliant) when the decompression occurs (has to be in the flight deck of course), but if you happen to be standing in front of the door when said event occurs then thats ok - The door I'm sure would do some serious damage to the person standing next to it checking the spy hole...
Not that different to roads or tracks having signs saying 'no stopping - rockfall danger'.
Making it so that you can't put the seat in a dangerous position is an engineering solution; telling you not to put the seat in a dangerous position is an administrative solution. MCAS and DCA (amongst others) are reminding the FAA that yeah, administrative solutions are less than ideal. It's a bulletin that'll be forgotten in three years.
Why the engineering solution had to be that bad... who knows?
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I started flying the Airbus recently, having flown Boeings (including the 777) for 20-odd years previously. I didn't realise just how much of a difference the Airbus seat (combined with the freedom to move your legs around due no yoke) would make to my health. I'm like a new man. I never hurt on a flight, or in-between flights, and I still feel fresh even after a long duty. I wish I'd made the switch a lot earlier and not put my musculo-skeletal structure through such abuse, especially on long-haul flights.
Boeing are essentially seating you in the same seat they designed in the 1950s for the 707. Unbelievable. Imagine a modern-day haulage driver having to put up with a 1950's truck seat for 16 hours, transporting goods on the road?
Boeing are essentially seating you in the same seat they designed in the 1950s for the 707. Unbelievable. Imagine a modern-day haulage driver having to put up with a 1950's truck seat for 16 hours, transporting goods on the road?
