Combining Pax and Cargo in Cabin & Printed MEL
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Combining Pax and Cargo in Cabin & Printed MEL
I have 2 questions and would appreciate some guidance on them
1- What are the regulations in regards to combining passengers and Cargo on seats in cabin ?
For example I have 20 passengers booked on a 737 and I have 10 Tons of Cargo (Perishables) , can I load all 20 pax on the forward and load the cargo on the pax seats on the remaining seats? Or does it have to be a full pax or full cargo on seats ?
My 2nd question is about legality of printing pages from MEL & Carrying them onboard along with briefing package
For example Dispatch prints MEL for the subject item and hand over to crew along with FP, would that be considered a finding since the document has now become an uncontrolled document ? Or is this a normal procedure for some operators ?
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1- What are the regulations in regards to combining passengers and Cargo on seats in cabin ?
For example I have 20 passengers booked on a 737 and I have 10 Tons of Cargo (Perishables) , can I load all 20 pax on the forward and load the cargo on the pax seats on the remaining seats? Or does it have to be a full pax or full cargo on seats ?
My 2nd question is about legality of printing pages from MEL & Carrying them onboard along with briefing package
For example Dispatch prints MEL for the subject item and hand over to crew along with FP, would that be considered a finding since the document has now become an uncontrolled document ? Or is this a normal procedure for some operators ?
Thank You
Maybe it depends on the country?
In regards to MEL, dont you need to carry a library of operational documents in the cockpit? I have never operated without a complete copy of the MEL? You must have a company policy in this?
If you seat pack the cargo then comply with the seat pack limitations. Ones I have used include not seat packing exit rows, there was something about pax being located behind seat packed rows ( maybe ). Maximum weight per seat pack etc. Again there must be a company policy on use of seat packs?
In regards to MEL, dont you need to carry a library of operational documents in the cockpit? I have never operated without a complete copy of the MEL? You must have a company policy in this?
If you seat pack the cargo then comply with the seat pack limitations. Ones I have used include not seat packing exit rows, there was something about pax being located behind seat packed rows ( maybe ). Maximum weight per seat pack etc. Again there must be a company policy on use of seat packs?
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Let's agree that in Aviation everything varies from country to another but they all refer at the end to EASA / FAA / ICAO etc... And aircraft manufacturers
Company Policy is why I am asking this question
recently a new policy is being rolled out that makes Dispatchers responsible for printing the MEL Page of the applicable snag and providing the crew of the printed copy along with the briefing pack, as a way of reducing crew work load by looking up MELs themselves, I find this to be stupid to be honest and also it gives a way for SAFA inspections for a finding by having an uncontrolled document in the cockpit
Again as for cargo on seats, what is the regulation ? Boeing MOM doesn't mention anything about combining pax and cargo on the same aircraft hence I am asking for guidance
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Company Policy is why I am asking this question
recently a new policy is being rolled out that makes Dispatchers responsible for printing the MEL Page of the applicable snag and providing the crew of the printed copy along with the briefing pack, as a way of reducing crew work load by looking up MELs themselves, I find this to be stupid to be honest and also it gives a way for SAFA inspections for a finding by having an uncontrolled document in the cockpit
Again as for cargo on seats, what is the regulation ? Boeing MOM doesn't mention anything about combining pax and cargo on the same aircraft hence I am asking for guidance
Thanks
Logic would dictate you put the pax behind the cargo. No hazmat to be carried.
Passengers would need access to emergency exits. Depending on the type of exit I believe it’s 5,7 or 12 pax per exit.
Passengers would need access to emergency exits. Depending on the type of exit I believe it’s 5,7 or 12 pax per exit.
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Full MEL and AFM on iPad EFB (or in binders); relevant pages [extra] printout makes it easier, readily accessible and safer.
No issues with cargo properly secured on seats; exit rows seats either empty or with able PAX.
No issues with cargo properly secured on seats; exit rows seats either empty or with able PAX.
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As part of our maintenance release document, any MEL ‘snag’ as you term it (we call them hits) is printed. We started carrying the complete MEL a few years ago. It is helpful to expand knowledge of an enroute maintenance issue but not controlling until the next release.
When you say “uncontrolled” if it is part of the flight release paperwork as noted in your flight operations manual, I don’t see how any regulatory agency could make an issue of that. If a foreign inspector would take issue with that, your company would have to address that in your operations manual.
For example many years ago, German ramp inspectors demanded to see a liability certificate of insurance. We now have in our operations manual a copy of a liability certificate of insurance.
When you say “uncontrolled” if it is part of the flight release paperwork as noted in your flight operations manual, I don’t see how any regulatory agency could make an issue of that. If a foreign inspector would take issue with that, your company would have to address that in your operations manual.
For example many years ago, German ramp inspectors demanded to see a liability certificate of insurance. We now have in our operations manual a copy of a liability certificate of insurance.
