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Old 13th Oct 2020, 13:25
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Holding FAA vs ICAO

Greetings All,

Am searching for a reference in particularly ICAO document regarding holding procedures.

[Aeronautical Information Manual 5-3-8.d.] When an aircraft is 3 minutes or less from a clearance limit and a clearance beyond the fix has not been received, the pilot is expected to start a speed reduction so that the aircraft will cross the fix, initially, at or below the maximum holding speed.

Does anyone know whether this holds true in the “ICAO world” and if so, kindly provide a reference, or is the 3 minutes speed reduction solely when operating within FAA airspace?

Thank you in advance.

Last edited by Hellenic aviator; 13th Oct 2020 at 13:52. Reason: vocabulary
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 14:00
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PANS-OPS Vol 1 Chapter 6, Section 1.3.1 says "Holding patterns shall be entered and flown at or below the airspeeds given". No specific guidance on when you should start slowing down, or when you should assume you are going to have to hold due to lack of onward clearance.
FAA are often clearer on such things.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 16:26
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The FAA gives you the discretion when to start the speed reduction as long as its no more then 3 min at present speed.
Purpose of both sets of rules is the same.
Cross the holding fix at or below the designated holding speed.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 03:12
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Much appreciated, BizJetJock and B2N2. Thanks for your time.
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