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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 09:08
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Airbus autonomous operations

Is this the death knell for the maintenance of basic flying skills?
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 11:33
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Sully the movie is on telly tonight, unsure about the Hollywood embellishments but ACARS is indicatng idle thrust on engine 2 against the opinion of the driver.

Sure these whiz kids can make drones deliver Amazon wares, but could they ever fathom the finesse of Sully's gliding skills.

Left to the devices of these whiz kids all souls on board would have definitely had been lost.
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Old 3rd Jul 2020, 22:13
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The actions and outcome delivered by the crew of Cactus 1549 are applaudable, Miracle on the Hudson is a factual description not a headline. At the same time, any whiz kid worth half of the moniker could have programmed a better flare.

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to OP: Once dubious flying skills are causing the majority of industry incidents and the cost of developing and keeping them for the ATPL worldwide community are through the roof and climbing, what other options are there for the future?

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Old 4th Jul 2020, 05:27
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Quite a sloppy and poorly written article. Very thin on the details. I'm obviously biased, but I just can't see it happen in our lifetime. AI can be very stupid and on the Airbus things like ECAM can be a source of confusion too instead of a help.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 05:50
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The MPL was the worldwide attempt to teach pilots to fly airliners through mainly simulator training. It hasn't succeeded because there is a recognition that the reason pilots are required is that aircraft, despite all the automation, still need to be able to manipulate the controls to a standard that requires training and practice. To all the tech nerd and computer geeks give up trying to claim victory in aviation and concentrate on 2D vehicles, where there is still a lot of work to do.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 00:55
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any whiz kid worth half of the moniker could have programmed a better flare
Well, Airbus failed your test, they don't seem to have employed any of your whiz kids, The crew of EC-HKJ at Bilbao found the aircraft wouldn't let them flare for the landing and the aircraft was written off. The cause of the accident was the activation of the angle of attack protection system which, under a particular combination of vertical gusts and wind shear and the simultaneous actions of both crew members on the side sticks, not considered in the design,prevented the aeroplane from pitching up and flaring during the landing. The AOA protection activated incorrectly in one other known occasion, 24 September 1999, an A-320 landing in St. John (Canada). Should you think getting rid of pilots and replacing them with computers is the solution, you are only replacing pilot error with computer programing error.

Then there was the flight of F-22 that crossed the 180 longitude and promptly lost all their nav facilities, result of computer programming, fortunately they had a tanker accompanying which could lead them to landing site.

http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/8...006_A_ENG1.pdf
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 09:53
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Well, Airbus failed your test, they don't seem to have employed any of your whiz kids,
They didn't have an automatic changeover of AC Essential Feed either.
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