Takeoff Alternate
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Here, there, and everywhere
Posts: 1,125
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes
on
8 Posts
Takeoff Alternate
I have heard several pilots mention about letting ATC know of our having a takeoff alternate(perhaps via flightplan) or verbally. Is this really done or is it just something that we as pilots and our company need to know about.
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Either the back of a sim, or wherever Crewing send me.
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
I have. You add it to your flight plan. Many years ago flying out of a northern English airport I filed Stansted as my take off alternate only to find that Stansted couldn’t accept us due to an incident they were dealing with. Good job I filed the take off alternate as had I not done so I’d have been blissfully unaware.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: malta
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A takeoff alternate is a required item in the ATS flightplan if it is not possible to return to the departure airport.
So if weather deteriorates after filing the flightplan, a possible course of action is to adjust if verbally.
So if weather deteriorates after filing the flightplan, a possible course of action is to adjust if verbally.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 2,527
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The times I've had to discuss a diversion, ATC seemed too busy to look up the destination alternate, let alone a takeoff alternate after just accepting an emergency aircraft.
Called a departure alternate in my part of the world. Not an uncommon occurrence. When departing in conditions which are below approach minima, a departure altenate must be nominated. It must be within one hour at OEI cruise speed.
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: VA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The whole purpose of designating a takeoff alternate on the flight plan, if required by the conditions at the departure airport, is to 1) make sure you have a suitable diversion field available (i.e. check wx, notams, etc) in case of airborne emergency immediately after takeoff, and 2) provide ATC that information in case of a radio out situation so they know your intentions. Once you are airborne you are free to change up the plan in coordination with ATC.
Only half a speed-brake
EU rules: If WX is such that return following an engine failure is impossible, nominating a tkof altn is mandatory. Within distance equivalent of 1 hr OEI CRZ speed in still air, standard landing minima figures apply, no need to degrade up one level.
This is the operator's rules, applicable to dispatch the A/C. No legal reasons to get ATC dragged into this, or put it into the flight plan. Only on the OFP it must be.
True or false?
This is the operator's rules, applicable to dispatch the A/C. No legal reasons to get ATC dragged into this, or put it into the flight plan. Only on the OFP it must be.
True or false?
EU rules: If WX is such that return following an engine failure is impossible, nominating a tkof altn is mandatory. Within distance equivalent of 1 hr OEI CRZ speed in still air, standard landing minima figures apply, no need to degrade up one level.
This is the operator's rules, applicable to dispatch the A/C. No legal reasons to get ATC dragged into this, or put it into the flight plan. Only on the OFP it must be.
True or false?
This is the operator's rules, applicable to dispatch the A/C. No legal reasons to get ATC dragged into this, or put it into the flight plan. Only on the OFP it must be.
True or false?
For IFR flights, the pilot-in-command shall specify at least one weather-permissible take-off alternate aerodrome in the flight plan if the weather conditions at the aerodrome of departure are at or below the applicable aerodrome operating minima or it would not be possible to return to the aerodrome of departure for other reasons.
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: EDDP
Age: 46
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can you please specify a reference for this ? B
