A320 interrupting the ILS

[sabenaboy]

Originally Posted by FlightDetent

On the topic of "children of magenta", a term which is these days overwhelmingly used as a snotty remark to throw insults around by people who did not put the effort in to understand the message of that lecture ...
... waste of time.

I'm not sure if that remark was ment as an insult to me or not?

I'm sure that the 'elegant' solutions that are proposed here will work nicely, but the problems with the solutions that are proposed here appear not to be very instinctive but something that has to be thought about before it occurs.
There's one solution that will ALLWAYS work in ANY SITUATION where the automatics don't do what you expect them to do: switch them off, (A/P, F/D and A/T), put the aircraft in the position you want it to be (attitude, bank...) and adjust the thrust as necessary.Then and only THEN, you could re-engage the automatics as desired/needed.
This is a simple solution, that will work in any situation where the automatics don't 'behave'. Every pilot worthy of that title should be able to do that instinctively. Sadly, I realize, that's not always the case anymore.
I do not blame the pilots personally, but rather the companies they fly for and their training departments.

It is not my intention to make 'snotty remarks to throw insults' but to emphasize again that we are seeing more and more accidents happen due to the lack of basic flying skills and that needs to be addressed.

If you search my previous posts, you will find that 'basic manual flying skills' is is one of my favorite subjects, I like to post about.
Look at these if you want to:

Airbus Official Urges Major Pilot Training Changes
Some more links to posts about manual flying skills.
My view on basic flying skills.

[vilas]

Works like a charm, except for children of the magenta line.

If a child of magenta managed the situation keeping the AP on he deserves credit. And if the experienced guy had to disconnect to manage the situation because of his insufficient knowledge of automation then he deserves censure not the child.

[FlightDetent]

sabenaboy Thanks for the reaction. Kindly understand that the first version I typed read "exclusively" and I changed that to "overwhelmingly" after having scrolled up to double check and seeing your name.

I think that your and vilas' comments:

There's one solution that will ALLWAYS work in ANY SITUATION where the automatics don't do what you expect them to do: switch them off, (A/P, F/D and A/T), put the aircraft in the position you want it to be (attitude, bank...) and adjust the thrust as necessary. Then and only THEN, you could re-engage the automatics as desired/needed. This is a simple solution, that will work in any situation where the automatics don't 'behave'.

Knowing automation well does not indicate you cannot hand fly. In adverse environmental conditions disconnecting the AP at the drop of a hat can and has created problems.

outline the course boundaries perfectly. Calling "CoM", which is our board's version of the Hitler argument, is foul play in this game.

Whilst I reworded to allow specifically for your personal expertise, post #13 - written the way it is - gets a yellow card. Not because of it's merit that a pilot is one who does not fear to disconnect the automatics and knows well how to handle the A/C manually with style, but because of the argument's shape.

[vilas]

This is a simple solution, that will work in any situation where the automatics don't 'behave'. Every pilot worthy of that title should be able to do that instinctively. Sadly, I realize, that's not always the case anymore

A pilot of a modern commercial jet is a complete package that includes the basic handling skills and also mandatorily adequate knowledge of it's automation. Inadequate skill at either end will make the pilot unworthy. While it's beyond doubt that pilots must aquire and maintain basic flying skills it cannot be converted into a crusade against automation. Automated flights may be less exciting but they make flying safer, less tiresome and extract more out of the available airspace and they're here to stay.

[compressor stall]

well here’s how it goes wrong...

They pulled Open Climb on the ILS...

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/577600...-034_final.pdf

Not a terribly brilliant report with some holes but it still covers the basics.

[vilas]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

They pulled Open Climb on the ILS...

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/577600...-034_final.pdf

Not a terribly brilliant report with some holes but it still covers the basics.

Interesting! the cockpit gradient was not shallow but reverse inclined. The captain not doing his PM job adequately out of respect.