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Does Anyone Still Use Paper Charts ?

Old 17th Apr 2019, 10:17
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Does Anyone Still Use Paper Charts ?

I'm just wondering, does anyone from European airlines still use paper charts (especially ENROUTE charts, besides approach plates) ?
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 10:49
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I know Adria do on some of their aircraft.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 14:11
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A lot of Spanish operators, including Vueling, still on paper charts.

Spanish AESA trying to reinvent the wheel....Charts on Ipads...oh boy so dangerous!!

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 01:09
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Is AESA prohibiting Spanish operators to use EFB?
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 21:21
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Not really prohibiting, just making it impossible...specially for smaller operators.

I had a sneeky peek at the manuals Iberia wrote to get approval from AESA. It included Ipadís in pressure chambers, and heating test to see if there would be any explosion or other complications to be expected...

In my opinion trying to re-invent the wheel considering that half the world is already using Ipads in cockpits.

Furthermore there were very concerned how any company would monitor if the navdata updates were performed in due time. They preferred the old fashioned Jeppesen envelopes...

AESA wanted an independent power source to be installed in the cockpit, to be able to continously charge the Ipadís.

German LBA accepted an Operations Manual stating that at the start of any flight one of two Ipadís in cockpit shall be at 80% minimum. No requirement for any additional power source.

So there are German planes flying within Spanish terretory, with an Ipad which might be below 80%, not under continous charging and which could explode........and the Spanish operators still fighting with the AESA to get an approval to use Ipadís.

(as you can see I am totally not frustrated with THE AESA ;-) )
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 07:16
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At my operator we need to have at least 60% battery charge at the start of the flight.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 08:14
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On my previous type at my operator we had two power points. Located conveniently right below the coffee cup holders. We have been using ipads for seven years and just changing to the third generation.
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