Boeing researches Anti-Gravity!
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Boeing researches Anti-Gravity!
Heard on the ABC news (here in Oz) that Boeing are now researching a device (invented by a Russian scientist some years ago) that shields objects from the force of gravity. Boeing say it is very early into the research programme, and an anti-gravity aircraft is many years away.
Anybody heard of this??
Anybody heard of this??
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that was quick!
Wow, that Sonic Cruiser didn't take long to finish, since they have time to be working on this! Oh, er... they haven't have they.
Sounds like a media stunt during Farnborough with Mr. Branson and Mr. Airbus' A340-600 launch.
just me being cynical I suppose!
Sounds like a media stunt during Farnborough with Mr. Branson and Mr. Airbus' A340-600 launch.
just me being cynical I suppose!
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The BBC report on this is at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2157975.stm
and the New scientist has a write up at:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992611
and originally there was an article about this in the New Scientist September 1996 :
http://archive.newscientist.com/secu...mg15120480.800
Interesting to see Dr Podkletnov turn up at Boeing!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2157975.stm
and the New scientist has a write up at:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992611
and originally there was an article about this in the New Scientist September 1996 :
http://archive.newscientist.com/secu...mg15120480.800
Interesting to see Dr Podkletnov turn up at Boeing!
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"Tom Swift and his Antigravity Superplane"
Well gosh, if the UK MoD experts at BAE and NASA (a public relations powerhouse with a little science appended) are looking at it seriously in their top secret code named programs with such cool names reported by the Beeb it must be good. Has magnets and superconducting ceramic solenoids cooled by liquid nitrogen, unfortunately doesn't have a supercomputer, laser beams, or an internet connection.
Sounds like cold fusion
Antigravity will make money only when it is licensed to Victoria's Secret
Well gosh, if the UK MoD experts at BAE and NASA (a public relations powerhouse with a little science appended) are looking at it seriously in their top secret code named programs with such cool names reported by the Beeb it must be good. Has magnets and superconducting ceramic solenoids cooled by liquid nitrogen, unfortunately doesn't have a supercomputer, laser beams, or an internet connection.
Sounds like cold fusion
Antigravity will make money only when it is licensed to Victoria's Secret
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There was an article in the ‘New Scientist’ 12 Jan this year that described experiments, carried out by an Evgeny Podkletnov, that reduce the effects of gravity.
The experiments centred around a superconducting disc cooled to below 40K and levitated with a magnetic field. The disc was then made to rotate at 5000 rpm using an oscillating electric field. It is claimed that objects placed above the rotating disc lost around 1 per cent of their weight. Increasing the rotational velocity seemed to reduce weight even further – up to 2 per cent in later experiments.
Podkletnov has been ridiculed for his claims but he says others have replicated his results.
As yet there is no theoretical explanation of the above results.
Apparently both Boeing and NASA are interested in this technology. NASA I think were trying to replicate this experiment earlier this year.
The experiments centred around a superconducting disc cooled to below 40K and levitated with a magnetic field. The disc was then made to rotate at 5000 rpm using an oscillating electric field. It is claimed that objects placed above the rotating disc lost around 1 per cent of their weight. Increasing the rotational velocity seemed to reduce weight even further – up to 2 per cent in later experiments.
Podkletnov has been ridiculed for his claims but he says others have replicated his results.
As yet there is no theoretical explanation of the above results.
Apparently both Boeing and NASA are interested in this technology. NASA I think were trying to replicate this experiment earlier this year.
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Paper at LANL
Here's one of the actual papers:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0108005
Download the .pdf to get the full story.
Cold fusion until proven otherwise, IMHO
R 1
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0108005
Download the .pdf to get the full story.
Cold fusion until proven otherwise, IMHO
R 1
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There's a book by Nick Cook, who works for Jane's Defence Weekly, called "The Hunt For Zero Point - One Man's Journey To Discover The Biggest Secret Since The Invention Of The Atom Bomb" which is all about anti gravity.
Basically he tries to find out if the US government actually cracked this years ago and have since covered it all up. It's quite interesting and pretty convincing, but maybe I'm just gullible!!! It's well worth a read anyway.
Basically he tries to find out if the US government actually cracked this years ago and have since covered it all up. It's quite interesting and pretty convincing, but maybe I'm just gullible!!! It's well worth a read anyway.
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Presumably you could also lower the mass of an object to zero thereby radically improving the fuel burn of everything reducing our demand on foreign oil to zero.
Therefore OPEC will never let it happen
Cheers
Wino
Therefore OPEC will never let it happen
Cheers
Wino
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Jet Man if they can't get the process simpler than that or more effect then I don't think that Airbus need worry too much in the near future. Can you imagine the gyroscopic problems of flying with that under your aircraft? 
Not to mention weight, bulk etc. The interesting thing I heard was the (rather speculative) future applications of projecting the effect to destroy satellites
Not to mention weight, bulk etc. The interesting thing I heard was the (rather speculative) future applications of projecting the effect to destroy satellites
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I've seen one of the 5 devices in action, the vortex which creates very high and very low localised temperatures. As with most great discoveries, it is very simple and you could make one yourself at home. Wish I'd have thought of it first!
If the antigrav system works as well as the 'vortex fridge', then it will be a winner.
Read Nick Cooks' book a few weeks back.
If the antigrav system works as well as the 'vortex fridge', then it will be a winner.
Read Nick Cooks' book a few weeks back.
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And from the June 2002 edition of Scientific American page 15....
" Raymond Chiao...well known for his work in quantum optics at the University of California at Berkeley...argues that a superconductor could transform...light...into gravitational radiation, and vice versa...
"Even if Chiao's contraption works, it wouldn't allow the generation of antigravity fields...as Eugene Podkletnov...controversially claimed to have observed...
"Antigravity requires canceling out a powerful, static gravitoelectric field, yet superconductors have no effect on such fields."
For your interest (and much abridged!)
" Raymond Chiao...well known for his work in quantum optics at the University of California at Berkeley...argues that a superconductor could transform...light...into gravitational radiation, and vice versa...
"Even if Chiao's contraption works, it wouldn't allow the generation of antigravity fields...as Eugene Podkletnov...controversially claimed to have observed...
"Antigravity requires canceling out a powerful, static gravitoelectric field, yet superconductors have no effect on such fields."
For your interest (and much abridged!)
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I never realised that we were so skeptical as a group!
Does it matter if something is not explained when it has been shown to work?
Explain the science behind magnetism...?
Does it matter if something is not explained when it has been shown to work?
Explain the science behind magnetism...?
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Love the "Victoria's Secret" idea.
Mind you, they do a fine job with conventional engineering, see the link below:
www.victoriassecret.com/vsc/index.html
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mind you, they do a fine job with conventional engineering, see the link below:
www.victoriassecret.com/vsc/index.html
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from New Scientist:
"Podkletnov met New Scientist in late 2001 to outline the experiment, in which a large yttrium-barium-copper-oxide (YBCo) superconducting disc was suspended in nitrogen vapour and cooled to around —233 °C. The disk was levitated in a magnetic field and finally spun at speeds of up to 5000 revolutions per minute by means of an alternating electric current.
He claimed that objects placed above the disc lost around one per cent of their weight. But so far no one has managed to successfully repeat his experiment. "
By jingo - I feel out of sorts with Jet lag after long flights, but I dont really fancy my dizzy carcus being hung under one of the engines after the flight to thaw out...
Or maybe they were just trying to give their share price a nudge post enron, worldcom, xerox, aoltimewarner and so on...
Laurie
"Podkletnov met New Scientist in late 2001 to outline the experiment, in which a large yttrium-barium-copper-oxide (YBCo) superconducting disc was suspended in nitrogen vapour and cooled to around —233 °C. The disk was levitated in a magnetic field and finally spun at speeds of up to 5000 revolutions per minute by means of an alternating electric current.
He claimed that objects placed above the disc lost around one per cent of their weight. But so far no one has managed to successfully repeat his experiment. "
By jingo - I feel out of sorts with Jet lag after long flights, but I dont really fancy my dizzy carcus being hung under one of the engines after the flight to thaw out...
Or maybe they were just trying to give their share price a nudge post enron, worldcom, xerox, aoltimewarner and so on...
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Actually the antigravity effect of rotating superconducting magnets was first recognized by Richard Pearse of New Zealand in May 1972. In an ingenious helicopter craft of his own design he slipped the surley bonds of earth from his farm workshop and flew several aerobatic routines finally landing in the road outside his farm gate. I know this because I read about it on an internet site and there were interviews there with people in 1997 that had seen it who described it in their own words.
Boeing is suppressing this, just another example of the Americans taking over aviation and keeping rightful recognition from a brilliant and underappreciated Kiwi. Looks like they are co-opting the Russians too. Shameless Yanks!!!
Boeing is suppressing this, just another example of the Americans taking over aviation and keeping rightful recognition from a brilliant and underappreciated Kiwi. Looks like they are co-opting the Russians too. Shameless Yanks!!!
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Re: Boeing researches Anti-Gravity!
The following is from:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/750150.asp?0bl=-0
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Boeing spokesman Erik Simonsen acknowledged that the GRASP report actually does exist, but said Cook’s account was based on a “misinterpretation of information.” ..........
....... Simonsen told MSNBC.com that there were no plans to fund research into the effect. He also said he was unaware of any Boeing efforts to approach Podkletnov directly, as reported in Jane’s Defence Weekly. ................
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/750150.asp?0bl=-0
======= Start of quote =======
Boeing spokesman Erik Simonsen acknowledged that the GRASP report actually does exist, but said Cook’s account was based on a “misinterpretation of information.” ..........
....... Simonsen told MSNBC.com that there were no plans to fund research into the effect. He also said he was unaware of any Boeing efforts to approach Podkletnov directly, as reported in Jane’s Defence Weekly. ................
===== End of quote ==========