A320 - Eng out in crz + Emer desc
I'm not talking about the procedure - I'm referring to the epic CONFUSION over basic modes of the Airbus Auto thrust system!
I just caught a recording of the 'Aircrash Investigation' program about the Habsheim crash. You remember - the one where the Top Training Captain in Air France flew a 2 day old A320 into a forest during a low flypast. He was fooled by - the Airbus AutoThrust system and its interface with the control laws.
Seems to me confusion still reigns out there 30 years later.
I just caught a recording of the 'Aircrash Investigation' program about the Habsheim crash. You remember - the one where the Top Training Captain in Air France flew a 2 day old A320 into a forest during a low flypast. He was fooled by - the Airbus AutoThrust system and its interface with the control laws.
Seems to me confusion still reigns out there 30 years later.
Forget?
So you don’t believe in learning lessons from past mistakes?
That’s not how it works in aviation.
Whatever your affinity to Airbus is, don’t let it cloud your judgement.
So you don’t believe in learning lessons from past mistakes?
That’s not how it works in aviation.
Whatever your affinity to Airbus is, don’t let it cloud your judgement.
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It seems you are the one that does not learn from past mistakes, lessons have been learnt form Habsheim. Don't be stuck in the dark and fear an Airbus they are great aircraft, don't let your "affinity" cloud "your" judgement.
It seems you are the one that does not learn from past mistakes, lessons have been learnt form Habsheim. Don't be stuck in the dark and fear an Airbus they are great aircraft, don't let your "affinity" cloud "your" judgement.
I read the discussion about what mode the Auto Thrust may or may not be in, and what the FMA may or may not say, and I find your faith in peoples knowledge and understanding of the AT to be plainly delusional. Nothing has changed since Habsheim. AF447 proved that again. How much more evidence is needed? The same 'accident' keeps happening.
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You are obviously not an Airbus pilot if pilot at all. Your opinion about a system you know precious little is just that, an opinion. It has no professional merit. You should be asking questions and not giving answers. But don't expect full type rating on the forum.
You are obviously not an Airbus pilot if pilot at all. Your opinion about a system you know precious little is just that, an opinion. It has no professional merit. You should be asking questions and not giving answers. But don't expect full type rating on the forum.
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You can’t blame Airbus for these incidents. In both case it was lack of knowledge of the system and improper training.
In that logic we can mention the Kegworth accident where the crew switched off the wrong engine on the 737 or Emirates flight 521 crashed during a go around. Those 2 accidents would probably not have happened on Airbus as engine failure is clearly identified and the go around procedure is really instinctive; firewalling the levers forward just like on a Cessna. Does that means Boeing are bad aircraft? I don’t think so.
In that logic we can mention the Kegworth accident where the crew switched off the wrong engine on the 737 or Emirates flight 521 crashed during a go around. Those 2 accidents would probably not have happened on Airbus as engine failure is clearly identified and the go around procedure is really instinctive; firewalling the levers forward just like on a Cessna. Does that means Boeing are bad aircraft? I don’t think so.
Killaroo
You are obviously not an Airbus pilot if pilot at all. Your opinion about a system you know precious little is just that, an opinion. It has no professional merit. You should be asking questions and not giving answers. But don't expect full type rating on the forum.
You are obviously not an Airbus pilot if pilot at all. Your opinion about a system you know precious little is just that, an opinion. It has no professional merit. You should be asking questions and not giving answers. But don't expect full type rating on the forum.
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