A 320 Engine Shut Down
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From: Above the Horizon
A 320 Engine Shut Down
In the Engine Shut Down checklist of A320 there is a line:
If Wing A/Ice off and Eng fire pb sw not pressed:
If performance permits:
X Bleed open
(If no obstacle constraint exists, open the X Bleed. Can someone please explain what is meant by this.
It also says to determine the single engine gross ceiling, decrease by 1200 ft the result provided by the QRH table. Why should we reduce 1200ft when the single engine gross ceiling is already provided?
If Wing A/Ice off and Eng fire pb sw not pressed:
If performance permits:
X Bleed open
(If no obstacle constraint exists, open the X Bleed. Can someone please explain what is meant by this.
It also says to determine the single engine gross ceiling, decrease by 1200 ft the result provided by the QRH table. Why should we reduce 1200ft when the single engine gross ceiling is already provided?
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X Bleed open
(If no obstacle constraint exists, open the X Bleed. Can someone please explain what is meant by this.
(If no obstacle constraint exists, open the X Bleed. Can someone please explain what is meant by this.
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As RUMBEAR said with single bleed two pack operation ceiling is lower. If you can't descend to that because of terrain that means you cannot accept the performance with two pack ops. That's what it means.
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Where is this information (ceiling with single bleed and two packs) given?
"If WING A/ICE off and ENG 1(2) FIRE pb-sw not pressed:
IF PERF PERMITS:
X BLEED OPEN
If no obstacle constraint exists, open the XBLEED, and decrease the single engine gross ceiling by 1200 ft (Refer to QRH/PER-E Ceilings)."
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Goldenrivett, the information you provided is in the beginning of the thread.
My question is this:
Where does it say that the ceiling has to be reduced by 1200 ft when the ceiling is anyway given for single engine. As some posts here suggests, if the ceiling is reduced by 1200 feet because a single bleed is supplying two packs, I would like to know where it says that the ceiling reduces by 1200ft when a single bleed supplies two packs.
My question is this:
Where does it say that the ceiling has to be reduced by 1200 ft when the ceiling is anyway given for single engine. As some posts here suggests, if the ceiling is reduced by 1200 feet because a single bleed is supplying two packs, I would like to know where it says that the ceiling reduces by 1200ft when a single bleed supplies two packs.
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Goldenrivett, my doubt is this:
FCOM States "To determine the single engine gross ceiling, decrease by 1200 ft the result provided by the QRH table".
This gives the impression (at least to me) that what is given in the QRH is the ceiling for twin engine and we need to decrease 1200ft to determine the single engine ceiling, whereas what is given in the QRH is the single engine ceiling.
And the corrections given at the bottom of the chart is for Anti Ice On whereas the checklist in the FCOM states with a precondition (Black Dot)"If Wing A/Ice off ...."
Maybe I am not seeing something which is very obvious. Can someone please clarify.
FCOM States "To determine the single engine gross ceiling, decrease by 1200 ft the result provided by the QRH table".
This gives the impression (at least to me) that what is given in the QRH is the ceiling for twin engine and we need to decrease 1200ft to determine the single engine ceiling, whereas what is given in the QRH is the single engine ceiling.
And the corrections given at the bottom of the chart is for Anti Ice On whereas the checklist in the FCOM states with a precondition (Black Dot)"If Wing A/Ice off ...."
Maybe I am not seeing something which is very obvious. Can someone please clarify.
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Boyington,
Thanks. I think I can see what you are missing.
1)
Title of page = One Engine Out.
2)
It sounds like you have never opened the X Bleed valve in the sim with Eng Fail No Damage.
If X Bleed is opened, then ECAM asks you to turn on the 2nd Pack. Thus the running engine is supplying 2 packs. The QRH Ceiling graph "One Engine Out" assumes only 1 pack.
Thanks. I think I can see what you are missing.
1)
This gives the impression (at least to me) that what is given in the QRH is the ceiling for twin engine
2)
whereas the checklist in the FCOM states with a precondition (Black Dot)"If Wing A/Ice off ....
If X Bleed is opened, then ECAM asks you to turn on the 2nd Pack. Thus the running engine is supplying 2 packs. The QRH Ceiling graph "One Engine Out" assumes only 1 pack.
