Wikiposts
Search

Notices
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Tail strike

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13th June 2017 | 19:59
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,092
Likes: 10
From: uk
Tail strike

Would a tail strike on a 757 be heard felt at the front.
Few days ago felt as a pax like a over rotation and a bang, as I have heard on lighter aircraft.
Would this need an engineer to look at before next flight?
BigEndBob is offline  
Reply
Old 13th June 2017 | 20:16
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,205
Likes: 0
From: US
Not necessarily. Big jet, small noise.
misd-agin is offline  
Reply
Old 13th June 2017 | 20:19
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 4
From: last time I looked I was still here.
Don't know, never done it, but if it was suspected the engineer needs to inspect it PDQ; hence an immediate return. Indeed, before the next flight and before the subject flight reached destination. The CC's in rear galley would be your ears.
Curious about 'the bang'. You would be very unlucky if you'd experienced multiple tail strikes; and I'm sure you would know because at least one of them would have been an immediate return.
RAT 5 is offline  
Reply
Old 13th June 2017 | 20:59
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,092
Likes: 10
From: uk
Well I say bang but as in the situation where my student and I got caught out in a Cessna where the tail struck and sounded like a dustbin hitting the ground.
The 757 "tail strike" sounded exactly the same.
BigEndBob is offline  
Reply
Old 13th June 2017 | 21:03
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 562
Likes: 0
Not sure you would feel an over rotation as pax. I know a couple of flight deck who have had tail strikes and neither felt it.
A tail strike would be picked up on the next pre flight check.
qwertyuiop is offline  
Reply
Old 13th June 2017 | 21:10
  #6 (permalink)  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,198
Likes: 32
From: France
Could be a cargo bin hitting the stops?
eckhard is offline  
Reply
Old 17th June 2017 | 12:01
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
Posts: 3,759
Likes: 424
From: GA, USA
and a bang, as I have heard on lighter aircraft.
Food trolleys weigh a fair amount and one sliding or hitting a stop can make a good amount of noise.
A former colleague who had a tail scrape in a 737 told me they didn't hear or feel anything, not even the FA in the aft galley.
Drain masts ground off and some light skin damage.

Now this you may feel and hear

B2N2 is offline  
Reply
Old 17th June 2017 | 14:23
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 4
From: last time I looked I was still here.
Damn. Those pesky Jet A1 sniffing metal eating rats have crept into the APU bay again. Damn!. "Say again." said the chief pilot.
RAT 5 is offline  
Reply
Old 17th June 2017 | 22:34
  #9 (permalink)  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: 2 miles south of EGGD flight path. Lovely view of RWY 09 i/c aircraft.
Tea and no biscuits for sure!
Colours389 is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 00:43
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
Posts: 3,759
Likes: 424
From: GA, USA
And coffee and cookies with the FAA.
B2N2 is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 00:46
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,205
Likes: 0
From: US
That will buff right out.

"No items." CA to FE after taxiing across some grass.
misd-agin is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 06:25
  #12 (permalink)  
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,693
Likes: 2,033
From: Reading, UK
Malaysian Tail Strike on take off at Zurich - PPRuNe Forums

2004.
DaveReidUK is online now  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 06:25
  #13 (permalink)  
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 110
Likes: 1
From: Dallas
Originally Posted by B2N2
Now this you may feel and hear
That's not the optional APU enhanced access option?
ThreeThreeMike is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 07:54
  #14 (permalink)  
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jun 1999
Posts: 2,997
Likes: 35
From: Oztrailia
Maybe Dave but that picture is an Aeromexico 767.
ACMS is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 09:23
  #15 (permalink)  
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,693
Likes: 2,033
From: Reading, UK
Apologies, yes, AMX B762 at MAD, April 2013.
DaveReidUK is online now  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 10:11
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: uk
T-cut and speedtape, good to go.
tj916 is offline  
Reply
Old 18th June 2017 | 10:30
  #17 (permalink)  
Community Builder
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Aviation Qualifications: LAME
Posts: 2,280
Likes: 186
From: Dorset UK
Do I remember one some years ago that resulted in the APU falling out?
dixi188 is online now  
Reply
Old 19th June 2017 | 22:41
  #18 (permalink)  
100 Countries Visited
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
Posts: 955
Likes: 68
From: away from home
It really would take a serious effort to do this in a 762...

Likewise in a 752. Now the 763 and 753 would make it easier
oceancrosser is offline  
Reply
Old 20th June 2017 | 01:40
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 141
Likes: 0
From: USA
I'd say not so fast aviators'. At Vr there should be a three second rotation to T/O pitch attitude and V2 about the same time. Every tail strike I have ever investigated showed rotations to takeoff attitude of around two seconds. Some of the problem comes from new guys with just straight wing experience. The second comes from light weight takeoffs where one can really just jerk the airframe airborne.


Go back to the F-86 in the 50's. Guys were literally rotating and running off the end of the runway. Most had transitioned from the P-51. Bob Hoover went over and demonstrated how it was done. He would land, stop and do a 180 and take off down wind without a problem. Lesson learned.
mustangsally is offline  
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.