A330 Derated Climb
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From: Mordor
A330 Derated Climb
Hi guys,
I was wondering what are your airlines' policies regarding the usage of DCLB on the A333.
Ours don't use it at all, even when the plane is light (and it often is, as we do lots of shorthaul).
Also, any materials on cost/benefit of DCLB?
I was wondering what are your airlines' policies regarding the usage of DCLB on the A333.
Ours don't use it at all, even when the plane is light (and it often is, as we do lots of shorthaul).
Also, any materials on cost/benefit of DCLB?
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From: Earth
We pretty much use it all the time even at MTOW. Remove the derate in the climb if necessary otherwise just leave it managed to sort itself out if no level restrictions. DCLB will use slightly more fuel than just using normal climb power however there are savings to be had in engine wear. I guess our company is happy to burn a bit more to save the engine life. No figures on how much extra it burns but in the grand scheme of things it would be minimal
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Our birds are CF6-powered and they seem to be sluggish climbers even at Max CLB thrust. At least in comparison to the 320 I flew before...
How much lower ROC can one expect with DCLB 1 and 2 and what's the fuel penalty?
How much lower ROC can one expect with DCLB 1 and 2 and what's the fuel penalty?
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It's a tradeoff, fuel vs engine maint cost. To me (an old engine guy) it makes little sense to thrash those donks when it might save you a minute or two reaching TOC.
But a disciplined airline should have powerplant and ops engineers meeting with management, reviewing warranty/guarantee restrictions, sliding-scale maint. costs, current fuel prices, TOGWs, and deciding what's best for each route for the airline.
But a disciplined airline should have powerplant and ops engineers meeting with management, reviewing warranty/guarantee restrictions, sliding-scale maint. costs, current fuel prices, TOGWs, and deciding what's best for each route for the airline.
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In a disciplined airline - yes. However, I have an uneasy feeling deep inside, that in the mob I work for, it was decided far less scientifically... 
As is side note, I heard an story, that in one airline, when their first 330's were introduced, they were merrily flying using Max CLB for around a year - until RR sent them 1million $ bill
As is side note, I heard an story, that in one airline, when their first 330's were introduced, they were merrily flying using Max CLB for around a year - until RR sent them 1million $ bill
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From: flyover country USA
There have been 1 or 2 past PpRuNe threads commenting that after a reduced ATM takeoff, selecting CLB may result in a throttle push. Yes, and TOC at rated CLB may well be harder on the engine than the takeoff rating. After a while you get used to it and drive on.
On the plus side: From an engineer's perspective, think of the takeoff as a warm-up setting before going to a higher setting.
On the plus side: From an engineer's perspective, think of the takeoff as a warm-up setting before going to a higher setting.
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Effect on ATC
These derated climbs are a headache for ATC. A330's generally want to be up at FL350 to FL390 straight off the deck, but the slow climb rate means that they are in the way of all the other aircraft for a longer period. This may well mean you get interrupted climbs with stop offs at intermediate levels. Planning your climb by the controller is much more difficult as predicting your level at a crossing point with other routes is hard to judge. To be honest it's like watching an L1011 in the old days except they didn't climb so high.
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From: flyover country USA
I won't quarrel about takeoff fuel savings, but that's not the only piece of the cost pie. If there's a fuel burn deterioration guarantee from the OEM, derate (or ATM) is taken into account in any settlement of cruise fuel burn payout.
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From: lagos
Unless you are super heavy , what's the harm starting off with D2? Then D1? If the math is really not working out fit your climb requirement cancel debate select speed early enough and things should be good!
