NAT OTS for non CPDLC
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Good day all,
As usual, apologies if my search was inadequate, but I was unable to find an answer to this question.
For non CPDLC equipped operators that cannot guarantee use of optimum levels of the OTS, would it be a good alternative to plan a random route during changeover period, or better still, during the opposite flow, when the OTS would be far away from the optimum route for winds?
Under, over or around is just not an option.
As usual, apologies if my search was inadequate, but I was unable to find an answer to this question.
For non CPDLC equipped operators that cannot guarantee use of optimum levels of the OTS, would it be a good alternative to plan a random route during changeover period, or better still, during the opposite flow, when the OTS would be far away from the optimum route for winds?
Under, over or around is just not an option.

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From: GPS L INVALID
Good day all,
As usual, apologies if my search was inadequate, but I was unable to find an answer to this question.
For non CPDLC equipped operators that cannot guarantee use of optimum levels of the OTS, would it be a good alternative to plan a random route during changeover period, or better still, during the opposite flow, when the OTS would be far away from the optimum route for winds?
Under, over or around is just not an option.
As usual, apologies if my search was inadequate, but I was unable to find an answer to this question.
For non CPDLC equipped operators that cannot guarantee use of optimum levels of the OTS, would it be a good alternative to plan a random route during changeover period, or better still, during the opposite flow, when the OTS would be far away from the optimum route for winds?
Under, over or around is just not an option.
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From: Riyadh
Thanks for the reply, but not what I was looking for. Interestingly, whenever I ask this, I get a similar reply, so maybe I'm asking wrong.
My plan is to fly a random route on the most favorable route for winds during a changeover or during opposite direction flow.
So if all East traffic is at 54 and below, I'll be westbound up at 58 all by myself, so it should be easy to get any route and altitude for direction of flight.
Does this sound like a good plan?
Shortest route, good winds, best altitude, sacrificing departure time.
My plan is to fly a random route on the most favorable route for winds during a changeover or during opposite direction flow.
So if all East traffic is at 54 and below, I'll be westbound up at 58 all by myself, so it should be easy to get any route and altitude for direction of flight.
Does this sound like a good plan?
Shortest route, good winds, best altitude, sacrificing departure time.

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Even before the current CPDLC issue it worked well, provided of course that was the time the passengers want to go. Most corporate pax won't be terribly impressed if you say they have to wait 6 hours just to make the pilot's life easier!
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Thanks for the reply, but not what I was looking for. Interestingly, whenever I ask this, I get a similar reply, so maybe I'm asking wrong.
My plan is to fly a random route on the most favorable route for winds during a changeover or during opposite direction flow.
So if all East traffic is at 54 and below, I'll be westbound up at 58 all by myself, so it should be easy to get any route and altitude for direction of flight.
Does this sound like a good plan?
Shortest route, good winds, best altitude, sacrificing departure time.
My plan is to fly a random route on the most favorable route for winds during a changeover or during opposite direction flow.
So if all East traffic is at 54 and below, I'll be westbound up at 58 all by myself, so it should be easy to get any route and altitude for direction of flight.
Does this sound like a good plan?
Shortest route, good winds, best altitude, sacrificing departure time.
Go to [URL="https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-35.79,31.29,610"] and have a look at the 250hPa level
But the avoidance of CPDLC and ADS-C will not last long by 2025 the North Atlantic will no longer have a track structure and all routes will be diverse 'user preferred' or 'business' trajectories.





