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A320 CAT 3 single only with no ECAM

Old 14th Jun 2015, 07:46
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A320 CAT 3 single only with no ECAM

Hello folks,

The other day shortly after takeoff we had status displaying cat 3 single only without any prior ECAM caution. It remained like this for the whole flight till after landing when it disappeared. My idea is that it could be related to the failure of the electrical power supply split as you need it only for cat 3 dual but I remember also that there is another failure leading you to the same status, I think it's described in the FCTM but I can't seem to locate it. Any thoughts ?

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Guessing but...

Might be an internal IR issue.in the 330 this sometimes happens with no ECAM ... Because there is nothing you can do. It simply changes the aircraft status for autoland... Could be something else entirely of course ... Airbus n all....
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Old 14th Jun 2015, 09:31
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We used to get this in some older 320s I used to fly some years ago. Swapping APs in the cruise used to fix it.
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Thanks for you answersWe tried to switch APs but no results.
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We had this as well... very strange.
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Old 14th Jun 2015, 15:41
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In the FCOM, Under PRO-SUP-22-10-C "Other abnormal procedures", it says that "CAT 3 DUAL" can be recovered by changing autopilots. If it does not work, recycle the FACs.

Doesn't include all MSNs though.
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Old 14th Jun 2015, 16:00
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I have posted about this before as we used to see it in old A320s. On the status page would be a message about Cat 3 Dual inop with no warning message. I remember it was something to do with AoA disagreeing.
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Old 14th Jun 2015, 16:12
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From the FCTM

ONE ADR OUTPUT IS ERRONEOUS AND THE TWO REMAINING ARE CORRECT
The ELAC and the FAC and/or FMGC eliminate the erroneous ADR. There is no cockpit effect (no caution, normal operation is continued), except that one display is wrong and the autoland capability is downgraded to CAT 3 SINGLE.

What do you think ? Might be the case for ADR 3 ? Both PFD were consistent...
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I once checked the AoA during once such encounter Tubby and they were within a tight bull's roar of each other. I think the event may be caused electrically although I'd give consideration to ADR as per FCOM.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 01:40
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According to memory:
One AOA is voted out and computer is using two AOAs.
The faulty AOA could be any one (1,2 or 3). If the faulty AOA is number 1 or 2 then you will not be able to tell which one is faulty as both PFDs will have normal display.
you can find out the value of AOA 1 or 2 using Mcdu but cannot find AOA 3 unless transferring IR 3 to side 1 or 2 then using the bird to determine AOA 3.

In the unlikely event of the other two AOAs bieng consistent but erroneous, then there will be a problem. In this case apply OEB (can not remember the number) which tells to switch off 2 ADRs
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You can check the value of AOA 3 via the MCDU (AIDS). But checking the AOA values doesn't tell you if one of them is voted out due to an earlier glitch.
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FAC 1 off, then on, FAC 2 off then, this used to take care of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Rocket3837 View Post
If the faulty AOA is number 1 or 2 then you will not be able to tell which one is faulty as both PFDs will have normal display.
Hi Rocket, I think I'm missing a point here. Let's say that AOA 1 is giving erroneous outputs, you won't notice anything on the PFD and the output will be automatically replaced by AOA 3 ?
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Had the same a couple of weeks ago. Probably rejection of one ADR without warning. We had the same due to a TAT birdstrike which resulted in rejection of ADR 2 due wrong data (TAS, W/V readout and computations)

Once on the ground the cat 3 single status message was gone because the a/c is not sensing airflow anymore so data was correct again and ADR was back in the loop. Worth while crosschecking all the pdf/nd values for all adrs
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Hi Bird,

following the rejection did you still have the erroneous data displayed ?
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Yes it unless we switched F/O to adr 3. But for ldg capability the data was rejected. Ecam status clean after ldg during taxi in
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Had this occur to us in the past, and as in "The Bird" case it was due to a ADR being rejected after some moderate turbulence. Had us perplexed as well until the engineer on arrival told us it was due to one of the ADR's being rejected by the other two.
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