Pax seat belts
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Pax seat belts
Query from a SLF.
I am a fairly frequent flyer and I as I am whiling away my time down the back I was looking at the seat belt arrangement and there seens to be a great deal of inconsistency in the arrangement of the seatbelt fastenings.
ie: some seats have the buckle on the left and others on the right.
I would have thought that it would be better from a safety point of view to have them all opening the same way, on the basis that some people struggle to open seatbelts in a panic.
Is there some reasoning behind the arrangement?
I am a fairly frequent flyer and I as I am whiling away my time down the back I was looking at the seat belt arrangement and there seens to be a great deal of inconsistency in the arrangement of the seatbelt fastenings.
ie: some seats have the buckle on the left and others on the right.
I would have thought that it would be better from a safety point of view to have them all opening the same way, on the basis that some people struggle to open seatbelts in a panic.
Is there some reasoning behind the arrangement?
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Not knowing which airline you refer to, I can only answer for my previous and present employer. You may observe that they are arranged so that they cannot be fastened across an aisle. Believe me, if it is possible for a passenger to do so, they will at some point. You should find a belt with the 'tang' next to the aisle. Hope that helps. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong guys.
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More importantly, they are arranged so to not impede your rapid exit in case of an emergency.
Thus each side of the isle will have the same type fitted and in wide bodies the centre row has alternating types mid row.
Thus each side of the isle will have the same type fitted and in wide bodies the centre row has alternating types mid row.
Quite often I get a seat with the buckle part of the belt clipped on the wrong way, so there is a twist in the strap when the buckle is the right way round. I'm sure I've never discretely clipped it back in the right way!
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I've found one side twisted quite often and found it clipped in the wrong way. Not good when it's the buckle side. 
Once I found one side completely unclipped
so a quick tug on getting into my seat is part of my routine these days.
Once I found one side completely unclipped
so a quick tug on getting into my seat is part of my routine these days.
If I'm not mistaken, we seem now to have covered pretty well every possible combination of ways that seats belts are oriented. 
It's tempting to conclude that there doesn't actually seem to be a standard, nor indeed any obvious need for one.
Is that a quote from a regulation? If so, where would we find it?:
It's tempting to conclude that there doesn't actually seem to be a standard, nor indeed any obvious need for one.
Is that a quote from a regulation? If so, where would we find it?:
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In some aircraft buckle tends to jam between wall and seat and therefore it is good not to have that part on the window side so that cabin tidy is faster to perform. Also the buckles may hit the trolleys if installed towards the aisle and that's not something that the cabin crew likes.
A certain large UK airline recently refurbished the cabins of its narrow-body fleet. A captain on his first flight in a 'new' aircraft noticed that, after the passengers had left, the seat belts on the RHS of the aisle were all dangling 'buckle-side down' he noticed the cleaners knocking into them with their shins and indicating their annoyance. As he had never noticed this feature in a pre-refurbished cabin, he assumed that the belts had been incorrectly installed. He therefore contacted engineering, who told him that this installation was, in fact, correct. I'm not sure if the seatbelt design or length had changed.
Confusingly, I've noticed since then that some 'new' cabins have the belts installed the other way around!
Confusingly, I've noticed since then that some 'new' cabins have the belts installed the other way around!
If I'm not mistaken, we seem now to have covered pretty well every possible combination of ways that seats belts are oriented.
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If I'm not mistaken, we seem now to have covered pretty well every possible combination of ways that seats belts are oriented.
Yep...Had a chance to do some covert seat belt spotting.......
If I'm not mistaken, we seem now to have covered pretty well every possible combination of ways that seats belts are oriented.
Yep...Had a chance to do some covert seat belt spotting.......
Recaro seat CMM 25-22-05 p7028
Reading from left to right belts should be fitted
Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip, Buckle/Tip !aisle! Tip/Buckle, Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip
6 abreast obviously, the rule is no buckles in the aisle or at the windows. The window seat and its adjacent seat will have their buckles sharing an attachment point.
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I've found one side twisted quite often and found it clipped in the wrong way. Not good when it's the buckle side.
Worth checking that the passenger in the adjacent seat doesn't also have a twist in his/her buckle belt.
There is only one correct configuration! (At the risk of sounding like a complete bore!). That which is in the AMM....
Reading from left to right belts should be fitted
Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip, Buckle/Tip !aisle! Tip/Buckle, Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip
Reading from left to right belts should be fitted
Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip, Buckle/Tip !aisle! Tip/Buckle, Tip/Buckle, Buckle/Tip
Tip/Buckle(Lid up), Buckle(Lid up)/Tip, Buckle(Lid up)/Tip !aisle! Tip/Buckle(Lid up), Tip/Buckle(Lid up), Buckle(Lid up)/Tip
Just for the very stupid type of AMM user...
"did it in accordance with the AMM, it does not say which way to install the buckle, so it is optional"
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Well, just to stir things up, after reading this thread I went down the back of one of QF's newest B737-800s to check it out and guess what:
Every seat has the buckle on the left.
Every seat has the buckle on the left.