Navigating Concorde
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...and like many folks, M. Mouse just CANNOT stand the facts (don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!)...even when it hurts.
It just so happens that nearly ALL the bright ideas in aviation come out of the USA...and it pains others to admit same.
Concorde...and the Comet, RADAR, jet engines (carried on by GE) are an exception...even the Viscount.
Just look at the record. Europe will never catch up...and the UK lost the race long ago. Sad as well because many original ideas there....hello TSR-2?
Oh yes, forgot to add....for the "moderator". Roselawn and the ATR subject were raised by HugMonster in this thread, not me. I was only replying to same....the quaint old English phraise...."knickers in a twist" comes to mind with regard to your reply.
It just so happens that nearly ALL the bright ideas in aviation come out of the USA...and it pains others to admit same.
Concorde...and the Comet, RADAR, jet engines (carried on by GE) are an exception...even the Viscount.
Just look at the record. Europe will never catch up...and the UK lost the race long ago. Sad as well because many original ideas there....hello TSR-2?
Oh yes, forgot to add....for the "moderator". Roselawn and the ATR subject were raised by HugMonster in this thread, not me. I was only replying to same....the quaint old English phraise...."knickers in a twist" comes to mind with regard to your reply.
Last edited by 411A; 26th May 2002 at 22:46.
You'd HAVE to be joking, 411A.
The US is very much in the minority when it comes to inventing stuff for aviation.
First aerdynamic devices - Australian Aboriginal boomerang.
First kites - Chinese
First ballons - French
First First glider flights - German (correct me here if I'm wrong)
First powered controlled flight - New Zealand
First Atlantic crossing - English
First Pacific crossing - Australian
First jet engines - German
First man-made object into space - German
Flight Data Recorders - Australian
Distance Measuring Equipment - Australian
INS - Based on German research
Swept wings & wing wings also German
Ramjet invented by the French
Radial engine configuration is Australian
... and no doubt other stuff that I can't remember at the moment.
The US has contributed various things to aviation, but in the big scheme of things no more than it's fair share.
The US is very much in the minority when it comes to inventing stuff for aviation.
First aerdynamic devices - Australian Aboriginal boomerang.
First kites - Chinese
First ballons - French
First First glider flights - German (correct me here if I'm wrong)
First powered controlled flight - New Zealand
First Atlantic crossing - English
First Pacific crossing - Australian
First jet engines - German
First man-made object into space - German
Flight Data Recorders - Australian
Distance Measuring Equipment - Australian
INS - Based on German research
Swept wings & wing wings also German
Ramjet invented by the French
Radial engine configuration is Australian
... and no doubt other stuff that I can't remember at the moment.
The US has contributed various things to aviation, but in the big scheme of things no more than it's fair share.
Last edited by 18-Wheeler; 27th May 2002 at 00:16.
411A
For someone who says many folks cannot stand facts, how odd that you should say, in relation to Concorde:
Alas, if only it had been tin!
For someone who says many folks cannot stand facts, how odd that you should say, in relation to Concorde:
...if a little strip of tin causes BIG problems (as the French investigation indicates)...
Oh myyyyyyy ...... 
What started out as a gentle admonishment to 411a to please stick to the original topic of this thread has now degenerated into the subject of the state of my knickers, among other things! :o
I will not debate my administrative action on this thread. If you disagree with my particular "technique", then either e-mail me directly at [email protected] or write to Capt PPRuNe or PPRuNe Towers and make your complaints there.
Let's remember that allbore began this thread with a genuine interest regarding navigation equipment on Concorde. Banter, including harsh banter, is of course always welcome, but it does a complete disservice to allbore to take his thread completely off-topic. You (and "you" know who you are ... ) are perfectly capable of starting a "who is better" argument in a separate thread.
Could we now please return to the original subject?
What started out as a gentle admonishment to 411a to please stick to the original topic of this thread has now degenerated into the subject of the state of my knickers, among other things! :o
I will not debate my administrative action on this thread. If you disagree with my particular "technique", then either e-mail me directly at [email protected] or write to Capt PPRuNe or PPRuNe Towers and make your complaints there.
Let's remember that allbore began this thread with a genuine interest regarding navigation equipment on Concorde. Banter, including harsh banter, is of course always welcome, but it does a complete disservice to allbore to take his thread completely off-topic. You (and "you" know who you are ... ) are perfectly capable of starting a "who is better" argument in a separate thread.
Could we now please return to the original subject?
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OK - tell me - how would you like to change it? Please feel you have a free hand. Email me when you've done the changes and I'll come back and have a look.
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In addition, it was mentioned that GPS cannot be used as primary navigation. Actually, it very definately CAN, at least with US registered aircraft.
You may be right but I thought I had read a recent American (NASA or FAA or something) study that concluded GPS could not be used as a primary navigation aid in the forseeable future. Or perhaps what I'm trying to say is it can't be used exclusively. The main reason is that the accuracy varies according to where you are, and when you are there, versus the current satellite constellation. This means in some situations there is insufficient accuracy available to you. Also interference is still a risk.
I can't see how practically you can have a primary navigation system that means you can't take off for 4 hours while you wait for the right satellite configuration for all route sectors.
