Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Tech Log
Reload this Page >

Airbus- A310-300 Fuel pump.

Wikiposts
Search
Tech Log The very best in practical technical discussion on the web

Airbus- A310-300 Fuel pump.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11th Jun 2014, 15:25
  #1 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Airbus- A310-300 Fuel pump.

What can be a probable reason for the OUTER TANKS both fuel pumps not showing any fault lights but, the tanks not emptying at the same rate as the right tank. Manual feed mode.
1jz is offline  
Old 11th Jun 2014, 22:41
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Here and there
Posts: 2,781
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Weak pumps? Fuel pressure is shown on Ecam. On the ground try turning on one pump at a time on both sides and compare the result. It could also depend on one engine burning at a higher rate than the other.

Last edited by tubby linton; 11th Jun 2014 at 23:27.
tubby linton is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 07:10
  #3 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks tubby, scenario was the manual feed mode was being carried out. Fuel was being fed from the outer tanks but, the left outer tank depleting at a lot lessor rate I.e intermitant. No ECAM warnings either. Water accumulation in the tanks? Freezing at higher alt?
1jz is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 08:29
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Here and there
Posts: 2,781
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
It could be water. I always treated fuel quantity indications in the A306 as an approximation rather than as a precise figure. I know of one aircraft that went into a sub-idle state on one engine because of water . We always used to take a ton of fuel from the outer tanks just so that we could put some warm fuel in it on the next turnround.Lufty used to empty the tank completely.
tubby linton is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 10:07
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Smogsville
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another possibility is fuel leaking back into its own tank, a problem which changing pumps won't solve. Any maintenance done recently possibly by the same shift?
SMOC is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 12:16
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Oxfordshire
Age: 54
Posts: 470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Blockage of fuel or jet pump by debris / tank seal matter?

Leaking pipe from pump to engine, which is returning fuel to the tank?

Is the system desinged to keep the outer tanks full for as long as possible to aid wing damping? If so, the pumps doing that refilling from the inner tank may be more efficient than the ones emptying the outer tank.
glum is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 18:01
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Here and there
Posts: 2,781
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Leaks between the fuel-oil heat exchanger are not unknown. This is why the oil quantity gauges have white plastic bugs on them (CF6). If the quantity increases in flight it may be because of this.
tubby linton is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 18:48
  #8 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The only maintenance action that was reported (tech log) after this was, water draining procedure, without mentioning if good amount of water was drained out or not. The outer tank pumps have valves which delays the fuel extraction until inner n center tank are empty. But, precisely the scenario I was talking about Is that both outer tanks were made to provide fuel to the engines by manual feed. The left tank ended up with an intermittent depletion and so the fuel remaining on the left tank was 1000 kgs more then the right outer, they are supposed to be depleting at the same rate. There was no local or ecam fault alert either.
1jz is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 18:53
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Age: 63
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
the clack valve could be stuck open (one way valve allowing fuel to flow from inner to outer)
proteus6 is offline  
Old 12th Jun 2014, 20:56
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Here and there
Posts: 2,781
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Sounds a lot like water but the probes are not very reliable and the aircraft are becoming antiques. I think that there was only one probe per tank.
tubby linton is offline  
Old 14th Jun 2014, 05:19
  #11 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For the update: One of the left outer pumps had a LO PR fault just 2 days after this flight. That probably means the pumps were giving out already. Ideas?
1jz is offline  
Old 18th Jun 2014, 23:21
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: FL350
Age: 40
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What was the position of the cross feed valve???
RAM777 is offline  
Old 18th Jun 2014, 23:47
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: earth
Posts: 1,341
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Over thinking this just a tad bit.
grounded27 is offline  
Old 21st Jun 2014, 22:48
  #14 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Crossfeed was inline.
1jz is offline  
Old 12th Jul 2014, 11:37
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: FL350
Age: 40
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The most probable reason could be that the pump out pressure on one side could be more then the other side.but outer tanks are generally used at the end of the flight most likely just prior to the top of descend.
RAM777 is offline  
Old 14th Jul 2014, 09:49
  #16 (permalink)  
1jz
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tarmac
Age: 39
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Apparently yes RAM777, as mentioned one of the pumps had a malfunction 2 days after that.
1jz is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.