TK Removes Tailstrike Skids
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TK Removes Tailstrike Skids
TK has orderers their new batch of B77Ws without tail strike skids as the bean counters get their way.
The beanies stated that the 700 KG was simply not worth it in terms of cost, weight and MRO.
They also want to remove it from their current B77Ws.
The beanies stated that the 700 KG was simply not worth it in terms of cost, weight and MRO.
They also want to remove it from their current B77Ws.
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Yup I think G-STBI and 777s delivered afterwards for BA are also 'skid-less'. Although the option is probably still there to have them fitted, Boeing are clearly confident in the modifications they've made to the FBW system which in theory will reduce the chances of a tail strike happening.
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Our latest ER delivered last month doesn't have a Tailskid.
Something about the ER software not allowing Tailstrikes and it therefore no longer being required.
I assume there is still a Tailstrikes detector fitted as well as the appropriate EICAS warnings.
Something about the ER software not allowing Tailstrikes and it therefore no longer being required.
I assume there is still a Tailstrikes detector fitted as well as the appropriate EICAS warnings.
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The beanies stated that the 700 KG was simply not worth it in terms of cost, weight and MRO.
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All new-build 777s have had the tail-skid removed, as, as has been said, the software has been updated.
I'm not aware of much incidence of tail-strike in the 300ER in any case- the semi-levered gear and control logic seem to make it easy to avoid.
The "straight" 300 is another matter- but they have skids.
Actually, no and no- there is no detractor and the EICAS message has been removed.
I'm not aware of much incidence of tail-strike in the 300ER in any case- the semi-levered gear and control logic seem to make it easy to avoid.
The "straight" 300 is another matter- but they have skids.
I assume there is still a Tailstrikes detector fitted as well as the appropriate EICAS warnings.
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Can anyone confirm any aircraft in their fleets delivered with the tailskid. (line number < 1166) , that have now had the software updated and tailskid removed?
BTW, weight saving is nowhere near 700kg.
SMOC's number is accurate. (~100kg)
BTW, weight saving is nowhere near 700kg.
SMOC's number is accurate. (~100kg)
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BTW, weight saving is nowhere near 700kg.
SMOC's number is accurate. (~100kg)
SMOC's number is accurate. (~100kg)
But I agree that either number is unlikely to be anything approaching 700kg.
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Is not the removal of weight in the tail in itself a help in avoiding the a/c tipping tailwards? I know the normal cause of tail scrapes is over rotation, but every little helps. N'est ce pas?
But let's not enter into suggestions about concrete in nose cones.
Tongue now removed from cheek.
But let's not enter into suggestions about concrete in nose cones.
Tongue now removed from cheek.
