turn 60 degrees left turn 60 degrees right parallel runways
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
I'm more amazed that a professional pilot can make a 2,000+ word post on the subject.
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When I see a post half-a-page long on a subject as simple as a side-step maneuver, I don't even bother reading it, so I don't have the foggiest how accurate it is. There isn't that much to say about side-steps unless one just likes to hear himself talk or read his own literary heritage.
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@flyboyicky, cosmokramer, flying changes - thank you for criticising whilst not actually contributing.
Rabbit, thank you for your input and for emphasising a point BY EXPLAINING (to all you ****** taking critics or is it critters) in adequate detail. Your input, as ever, was golden and invaluable and much appreciated.
Maybe not to you other GENIUSES - oooh, sorry, you meant it was just commonsense . . . .? Aww, why din I figure that one out myself huh?
I thought there was a formula - I was told wrong (not dissimilar to the above mentioned terrapins)
I was assuming when I made the post that there would be plenty of distance between me and the T/H.
>For sequencing, ever increasing nowadays is the possibility of a swing onto a parallel, which in some cases enables more aircraft in a queue if you stagger them such, depending on conditions, distance apart of runways, vortices and the aircraft capabilities, ATC know that the further back you are the easier and most likely it will be for you to accommodate their invitation for a swing (yeeha!) or have to go-around
So - fine, look out the window and fly it over.
@safelife. . . . .? We might not be doing that much banking so late in the approach, probably in the landing configuration and slow, you know...........?
And Rabbit, you don`t need to worry. Sorry if I was defensive, I am working on it.
There is this article on this very subject given by the chairman of . . . Steve Garret? . . .hmmm any way, thanks once again y`all.
Visual and Way out. If we decide to accept it. If not a go around. Goddit.
@Check Airman, Well, yes it is something which should/could have been covered in PPL. Assuming that is that one did one`s PPL at or close to an airport which has two parallel runways - here on the Orion Arm, not many airports of that ilk, let you straddle about the centreline in a spam can. I assume there are far more in the States.
Admittedly one can cover such stuff on the ground, or even using Microsoft sim too as the realism is quite good.
@ misd again
@ pattern_is_full
Thanks that's all I wanted to know.
Rabbit - Don`t ever change you are doing fine and very well. Don`t take any notice of `them` they are but jealous, albeit excellent pilots too, probably
Rabbit, thank you for your input and for emphasising a point BY EXPLAINING (to all you ****** taking critics or is it critters) in adequate detail. Your input, as ever, was golden and invaluable and much appreciated.
Maybe not to you other GENIUSES - oooh, sorry, you meant it was just commonsense . . . .? Aww, why din I figure that one out myself huh?
I thought there was a formula - I was told wrong (not dissimilar to the above mentioned terrapins)
I was assuming when I made the post that there would be plenty of distance between me and the T/H.
>For sequencing, ever increasing nowadays is the possibility of a swing onto a parallel, which in some cases enables more aircraft in a queue if you stagger them such, depending on conditions, distance apart of runways, vortices and the aircraft capabilities, ATC know that the further back you are the easier and most likely it will be for you to accommodate their invitation for a swing (yeeha!) or have to go-around
So - fine, look out the window and fly it over.
@safelife. . . . .? We might not be doing that much banking so late in the approach, probably in the landing configuration and slow, you know...........?
And Rabbit, you don`t need to worry. Sorry if I was defensive, I am working on it.
There is this article on this very subject given by the chairman of . . . Steve Garret? . . .hmmm any way, thanks once again y`all.
Visual and Way out. If we decide to accept it. If not a go around. Goddit.
@Check Airman, Well, yes it is something which should/could have been covered in PPL. Assuming that is that one did one`s PPL at or close to an airport which has two parallel runways - here on the Orion Arm, not many airports of that ilk, let you straddle about the centreline in a spam can. I assume there are far more in the States.
Admittedly one can cover such stuff on the ground, or even using Microsoft sim too as the realism is quite good.
@ misd again
@ pattern_is_full
Thanks that's all I wanted to know.
Rabbit - Don`t ever change you are doing fine and very well. Don`t take any notice of `them` they are but jealous, albeit excellent pilots too, probably
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
When I see a post half-a-page long on a subject as simple as a side-step maneuver, I don't even bother reading it, so I don't have the foggiest how accurate it is. There isn't that much to say about side-steps unless one just likes to hear himself talk or read his own literary heritage.
I am also aware that there are many people who have adopted the personal belief, shown by their comments and general patience (or more precisely, a lack thereof), that the current “times” seem to have embraced and treat as “the expected.” This has been described by many as being “the miro-wave age” … derived from acquiring the desired end point in mere seconds instead of minutes or, heaven forbid, hours. Perhaps, sometime in the future, knowledge and experience may be able to be absorbed or “experienced” in such a “micro-wave” manner (even though I personally doubt that very much) – but until such a time comes all of us are going to have to suffer with having to gain experience and knowledge over time and through effort.
Since I joined this forum I’ve really enjoyed a vast majority of the exchanges I’ve had with most of the other participants here. Perhaps I’m mistaken, but it appears that you either dislike or distrust the comments I’ve offered because of the number of words used in those comments. I could attempt to explain the absence of logic in such a decision, but that comment would probably be disregarded as well. Certainly, you are (and anyone else is, for that matter) free to read or ignore anything that I post, or that anyone posts for that matter – and I’m sure that if I’m in error, someone will point that out to me. So, my friend, please feel free and welcome to read and digest what I (or others) have said – or, if you are unwilling to invest the time to do that … or if you believe that such an investment of your time certainly couldn’t be sufficiently rewarding for you to do so … please … feel welcome to disregard completely …. skip right over any or all of my posts. No loss for either of us … well, perhaps.
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"I was assuming when I made the post that there would be plenty of distance between me and the T/H."
How far is "plenty of distance"? Even to different pilots you'd get different answers.
Here's another factor, where's the wind coming from? How strong is it? The plane will willing track downwind, especially in a strong wind. Offsetting into the wind to align with an upwind runway takes a bigger turn.
The solution is out the window. Period. Working on some formula won't work. The computer program is your eyes, your brain, and the plane's reaction to your inputs. Make the adjustment, observe the changes, and increase, decrease, or maintain the adjustment based on the reaction of the airplane relative to your new desired location. This is the fun part of flying.
How far is "plenty of distance"? Even to different pilots you'd get different answers.
Here's another factor, where's the wind coming from? How strong is it? The plane will willing track downwind, especially in a strong wind. Offsetting into the wind to align with an upwind runway takes a bigger turn.
The solution is out the window. Period. Working on some formula won't work. The computer program is your eyes, your brain, and the plane's reaction to your inputs. Make the adjustment, observe the changes, and increase, decrease, or maintain the adjustment based on the reaction of the airplane relative to your new desired location. This is the fun part of flying.
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If a pilot is not fully comfortable with a last minute RW change, advise approach or tower, "UNABLE." the either go around or land on the original RW if ATC permits. NEVER let ATC force or trap you into a situation that you believe to be unsafe. To be more explicit, the reply to ATC/Tower might be expanded, "UNABLE, going around. For our next approach we cannot accept runway changes after (some point is space)."
"Originally Posted by nastrasomething"
