Costs of hard braking
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There are excellent pilots and then there are the cowboy pilots. When it comes to braking after touchdown, then all things being equal, it is the cowboys that slam on the brakes and also taxi fast. It has always been thus regardless of the airline. of course the cowboys would never admit this of course.
It's not always black and white ya know.
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My employer has a minimum auto brake 2 requirement because of carbon brakes. I reiterate that is a minimum. It is usually higher. This can often lead to perceived harsh braking by the pax. Does that make me a cowboy pilot because I'm following SOP?
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@ SoS...So, you think the contractor has a free supply of brake parts???
I'm not even sure they would push the issue at contract re-negotiation time. How many times have Ryanair just upped sticks and pulled out of a destination because the local authorities wouldn't give them lots of free stuff (including landing fees)?
A few dollars worth of brake pads vs a multi-million dollar contract?
If you do the sums, fewer taxi miles and fuel burn are cheaper than excess brake wear. On the 737, F40 AB3 is ballpark 1600m to stop, whereas F30 AB2 is 2200m.
My bunch look to select flap and auto brake to vacate at a convenient exit. Sometimes this is 2/30, and others it might be 3/40. If the latter, we also brief that if we look like we are going to miss the exit we won't stand on the brakes but disarm the autobrake and head fkr the next one as expeditiously as possible. Surely it's just good airmanship to do so? FR get bashed because of the "no frills" reputation but selecting a higher autobrake setting in this fashion is hardly slamming the brakes on.
My bunch look to select flap and auto brake to vacate at a convenient exit. Sometimes this is 2/30, and others it might be 3/40. If the latter, we also brief that if we look like we are going to miss the exit we won't stand on the brakes but disarm the autobrake and head fkr the next one as expeditiously as possible. Surely it's just good airmanship to do so? FR get bashed because of the "no frills" reputation but selecting a higher autobrake setting in this fashion is hardly slamming the brakes on.
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It's thread responses like these that remind me just how stupid humanity an be, with the sad caveat that some of them fly planes...
A raise of hands - Who here thinks slamming on your brakes at every stop light 'saves' break wear?
Who here has actually supervised, managed brake r/r and seen the the landing per brake life stats on the plane you fly.
A raise of hands - Who here thinks slamming on your brakes at every stop light 'saves' break wear?
Who here has actually supervised, managed brake r/r and seen the the landing per brake life stats on the plane you fly.
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I wasn't thinking RA pilots were cowboys, it was merely a question regarding the cost comparison of a 2 mile taxi v brake pads.
which would make the 1700m (est) exit entirely feasible.
as it's the home base maybe Air Malta pilots like to come in gently in case the management are watching
Originally Posted by Jwscud
On the 737, F40 AB3 is ballpark 1600m to stop
as it's the home base maybe Air Malta pilots like to come in gently in case the management are watching
