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Old 26th February 2013 | 07:38
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I work in Russia and NDBs are still prevalent.
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Old 26th February 2013 | 09:45
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Also, does anybody now fly an NDB or even a VOR without an FMC overlay using LNAV or the equivalent?
In real life they probably don't. But when testing a candidate for an instrument rating in the simulator and if he requires to renew his endorsement on the ADF or VOR, then he must demonstrate competency on each of those navigation aids. Using an over-lay and VNAV/LNAV is not a valid test of his flying skill at conducting those non-precision approaches.
Frequently it is noticed that the candidate has significant difficulty in tracking in crosswinds when flying these approaches as sole navaids especially raw data. Which is precisely the purpose of checking them on the basic navaid rather than allowing the autopilot/FD to fly the overlay which is by no means proof of the pilot's flying ability.
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Old 26th February 2013 | 11:37
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Not over here. Was never checked to fly any VOR/NDB approach according to raw data since i started to fly on a jet. Always just LNAV/VNAV and then lateron IAN, both with and without flight director of course.
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Old 26th February 2013 | 12:34
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Except for training purposes, in more than 30 years I flew only two real life NDB approaches (at BIRK & LSGC), both in the early 1990s while the ILS or VOR were out for maintenance.
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Old 26th February 2013 | 13:06
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Flew an NDB to EDDK not too long ago because the ILS was out and the operator at the time was not certified for GPS approaches... There are applications for it.
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Old 26th February 2013 | 15:40
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CX - 744ERFs, -8Fs and latest 777s are not fitted with ADFs, plus no longer do NDB approaches or circling for that matter.
Did I get that one wrong or are you actually meaning they won't fly any kind of circling approaches as in the visual basic manoeuvre?
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Old 27th February 2013 | 10:59
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Plenty of airlines have ditched circling approaches and NDB are history with the introduction of PBN. Saves money on ground and aircraft equipment. Simplifies procedures, and offers better nav accuracy. The disappointing thing is the length of time it's taking to get everyone on board.
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Old 28th February 2013 | 09:56
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In CX visual approaches are ok but circling cannot!!

Everywhere we go there are either straight in conventional approaches or RNAV approaches anyway......
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