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Old 26th Nov 2012, 21:09
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the way how today most glass cockpit pilots use their piloting technique, (not only in Air France), nothing dramatic would change initially.
However after ....when accidents and incidents are compared many of us may become very much surprised to find out what is more safe.

 
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Embraer reveals vision for single-pilot airliners

The lonely airline pilot - Learmount

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Old 26th Nov 2012, 23:23
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I'll post what I've posted on these threads for over ten years here.

When the freight trains start going by my house with less than a three-man crew I'll start worrying.....
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Old 26th Nov 2012, 23:35
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From the article Taras B posted:

Allowing single-crew operation of airliners would provide substantial savings for airlines and help to alleviate forecast pilot shortages once the industry returns to sustained growth.
I've always had a feeling this line of reasoning would be used to justify the evolution to single pilot operations. If this shortage ever comes to fruition, which it never has, then why wouldn't the first option be to improve accessibility to training and improve entry level packages.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 00:44
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Since no passenger will step into an airplane with no pilots flying I don't think we have a problem. What do you think?
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 01:08
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As has been said here many, many times before, notwithstanding passengers being dead against it, it is security that will stop it from happening. A bunch of dedicated suicidal terrorist could take over a ground control unit, possibly but not necessarily, in a country where security may not be as tight as in others or they may just get them selves their own ground control unit that can block the signals from the genuine ground unit, either way mayhem and blood shed will ensue and no further passengers will board a pilotless aircraft. It simply won't happen.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 01:27
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I'll post what I've posted on these threads for over ten years here.

When the freight trains start going by my house with less than a three-man crew I'll start worrying.....
The freight trains that go by most people's houses in the U.S. now have less than a three man crew these days in case you didn't know...

Most freight trains on most railroads today have a crew of two: one conductor and one engineer.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conductor_(transportation)

Don't worry son, the union will take care of you...
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 01:47
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When the freight trains start going by my house with less than a three-man crew I'll start worrying.....
Or the rare one that has no crew at all.

CSX 8888 incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basis for the movie Unstoppable.

Unstoppable (2010) - IMDb

Decent flick, but they took some license..... OK, quite a bit.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 02:32
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If I take a position operating one of these which column do I need to use to log the details in my logbook
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 03:16
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I remember when some old timers told me (i was just getting started as a pilot) there was no way we could go without the 3rd pilot.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 04:44
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No Stick, No screens, no Yoke. Flight marshals with deadly force.

Boeing. Take some getting used to....
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 05:21
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Since no passenger will step into an airplane with no pilots flying I don't think we have a problem
How many accidents have been caused by pilot error and how many by software error? Fortunately pax don't read the accident rreports.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 05:42
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With all the security these days most pax never see a pilot, so how would they know if one is not there?
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 13:48
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As its topical and soon, you might be interested in this:

http://www.raeng.org.uk/events/pdf/lret_flyer_2012.pdf

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Old 27th Nov 2012, 16:29
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A few years ago when I was flying GA, there were loads of threads on here about the fact that GPS navigation could never catch on and should never be relied on.
Can you believe we used to go flying with a whizz-wheel clutched in our clammy hands together with a chart measuring 1m x 1m. on which we had made marks with china-graph pencils. The Pooley's book with the airfield data was also kept somewhere handy. We actually used all this stuff for primary navigation.
"dont ever use a GPS unit while flying, they are bound to fail and then what will you do?"
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 12:04
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Pilots

So only one pilot in the future?! He must come directly from flight school since there are no copilots anymore.
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Old 28th Nov 2012, 19:27
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It is getting to the point now that a controller sends the aircraft a message and the pilot has hot keys to reject, cancel or accept. Talk is cheap, 100001001001001000100 will be the only form of communication in aviation in the near future.
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 00:26
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Originally Posted by The SSK
No, the biggest problem, and the one that will kill it stone dead, is money. Who is going to pay the billions and squillions it would take to get a pilotless airliner certified?

The airlines? No, they never asked for one
Boeing/Airbus? No, they don't have customers lined up and their regular buyers would crucify them if they thought they were funding blue sky research like this and passing the costs on to their bread-and-butter products.
Fedex for a start.

FedEx founder Fred Smith came by the Wired offices yesterday for a chat on a range of things, but I'll focus here on the bit relevant to this site. He says that they'd like to switch their fleet to UAVs as soon as possible but that this will have to wait for the FAA, which has a tough road ahead in figuring out the rules of NAS integration. Unmanned cargo freighters have lots of advantages for FedEx: safer, cheaper, and much larger capacity. The ideal form is the "blended wing" (example shown). That design doesn't make a clear a distinction between wings and body, so almost all the interior of both can be used for cargo. The result is that the price premium for air over sea would fall from 10x to 2X (with all the speed advantages of air).

As he notes, a modern 777 is already capable of being an unmanned vehicle. "They let the pilots touch the controls for about 20 seconds, to advance the throttles, and then the plane takes over," he said, only half-kidding. The truth is that the plane can take off, fly and land itself. Today pilots drive the planes on the ground, but there's no reason why the computer can't do that, too. Sully's a hero, but Smith's perspective is that humans in the cockpit make the airways more dangerous, not less.

Because the FAA rules are not in place, nobody's built that perfect blended wing UAV for FedEx yet. But Smith believes it's only a matter of time. As he notes, the key thing is having NO people on board, not even as backup. A single person in the craft requires a completely different design, along with radically different economics and logistics. The efficiencies come with 100% robotic operation.
Fred Smith: FedEx wants UAVs - DIY Drones


Considering the new ATC coming in, and all the research going into UAF and IA, it seems very plausible to see FedEx drones flying over our heads in let's say 20 years top.

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Old 9th Mar 2013, 12:33
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Hi Huck et al,

Your worries start now....

Rio Tinto Iron Ore - Rail

Note the comment in the 'train profile'.....

"Each train is operated by a single driver, and comprises up to 234 ore cars, each ore car with a load capacity of approximately 112 tonnes. A fully loaded train weighs approximately 31,000 tonnes and is about 2.4 kilometres in length."

AS the Flight Engineers, and the Navigators before them said.....
'They'll never get rid of us'.....

p.s. I for one, hope that 'they' don't...

Cheers
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Old 9th Mar 2013, 14:28
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AS the Flight Engineers, and the Navigators before them said.....
'They'll never get rid of us'.....
Just as a curiosity - Pan Am Clippers (Boeing 314 "Flying Boats") in the early days had a radio officer, a navigator (at the 7 foot chart table in the picture below), an engineer, a 1st and a 2nd officer at the flight controls, and finally the captain who was free to "roam" the flight deck, overseeing everything. The captain's position was the first to be made redundant, replaced by what was formerly the 1st officer (now captain).


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