Opening cabin door with engine running
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 232
Likes: 4
From: Earth, where else?
Opening cabin door with engine running
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down.
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
Thread Starter
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 232
Likes: 4
From: Earth, where else?
Because the need to arm the doors is only once the engines are started...
Order to rm doors is given when the push is started in the company I work for. It can take a while before one of your 24 cabin crew will get back to you with the bad news that one of the 16 slides does not arm.
Order to rm doors is given when the push is started in the company I work for. It can take a while before one of your 24 cabin crew will get back to you with the bad news that one of the 16 slides does not arm.
Last edited by EK380; 23rd October 2012 at 16:27.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 137
From: USA
FWIW, at my shop (US regional), we routinely open the door with the #2 engine running when we arrive. In fact, it's pretty rare for both engines to be shut down before the door opens.
Last edited by Check Airman; 24th October 2012 at 04:29.
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,410
Likes: 37
From: Australia
Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side?
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,342
Likes: 0
From: Wingham NSW Australia
Opening doors
I recall opening the L5 and dispatching a "suspect" item found during taxi. It was a radio tape player of similar design to the one which brought down PanAm over Lockerbie. This was within a year of that tragic event and we did not want a similar fate to overtake us.
Last edited by Old Fella; 24th October 2012 at 11:47. Reason: addition
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,569
Likes: 1
From: Florida
I take it that after days since the openeing post, that there is no specific regulation against opening a door ( passenger entry door ?) with engines running.
It seems that this is covered under the operators SOPs and obviously can be over-ridden by the Captain if necessary?
It seems that this is covered under the operators SOPs and obviously can be over-ridden by the Captain if necessary?
Joined: Feb 2002
Aviation Qualifications: AME
Posts: 4,179
Likes: 1,111
From: UK
Quote:
Who is responsible if someone falls out?
er...the idiot who fell out of course. Who the **** else????
Jesus, what a mad world we live in if people feel the need to ask a question like that> :|
Who is responsible if someone falls out?
er...the idiot who fell out of course. Who the **** else????
Jesus, what a mad world we live in if people feel the need to ask a question like that> :|
Perhaps one where a set of steps are pulled from the a/c side just as the stewardess is closing the door. She had one foot on the steps and fell through the gap between steps and a/c.
It happens. No need for the rant.
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1
Likes: 2
From: nowhere
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down.
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
You can see it at the beginning of this youtube video.
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,339
Likes: 0
From: earth
Scenario: During pushback cabin crew tells you they can not arm 1 slide. Can you legally open the door to check for a possible reason (e.g. ice/snow...) of the door problem with an engine running on the opposite side? Needless to say I would first make sure that the engine(s) on the side of the door to be opened are shut down.
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
Company rules do not forbid it however I'm interested if there would be any legal text (JAROPS or FAR AIMS).
I am thinking of a larger problem here in your thought process.If you find the door is not fully closed and the slide will not arm, no engine running on the side you are having the problem with , sure sort it out. If the door appears to be fully closed and the slide will not arm, best bring her back to the gate and let your AMT/LAME have a look. It is CC not you at the door and you are unsure, back to the gate.
Last edited by grounded27; 14th November 2012 at 21:30.
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
From: far too low
