Noise abatement A320
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From: Gagarin
Noise abatement A320
Hi,
Give me some advise please. I am not going to perform noise abatement take off due to bad weather conditions( ws or gusty wind). Would it be better to reduce the thrust at minimum thrust reduction/acceleration altitude (400feet AGL) or at default alt value 1500 AGL?
Give me some advise please. I am not going to perform noise abatement take off due to bad weather conditions( ws or gusty wind). Would it be better to reduce the thrust at minimum thrust reduction/acceleration altitude (400feet AGL) or at default alt value 1500 AGL?
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Absolutely concur with MISD-AGIN. To reduce thrust so close to the ground in bad weather is bordering on the irresponsible. Most airlines have a minimum that exceeds the 400ft AGL min and in my experience is at least 800ft AGL. Since you are already decided to throw away noise abating there is no reason to even accept the default of 1500ft AGL. If you think it's necessary keep power on for longer. You have five minutes at TOGA power.
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Spot on by Elite Pilot. The FCOM instruct that TOGA should be used whenever WS is expected/forecasted on departure. Besides that is common sense that if you are expecting turbulence WX departing a field it is not a good idea to be reducing power at low altitudes...
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However, sometimes you have to think a little about what the reported windshear is... Landing aircraft reporting a 'loss of 20kt at 200ft' means you will gain 20kt going in the other direction. So, say you taking off flap 3, with a V2 of 140, so climbing out at 160kt ish, you get the 20kt gain putting you at 180kt which is very close to the Vfe speed (Conf 3/320-185Kt).
I would suggest, adding TOGA to this mix, means a visit from an engineer to inspect the overspeed, please also bear in mind the limited pitch authority of the A/P to deal with this..
I've found the real issues for departing aircraft come when arriving aircraft don't report issues... You often then get a loss of speed out of the blue!
Nothing I have written should detract you from following your own SOP's/FCOM advice, however our SOP's do allow variation based on the experience of the crew...
I would suggest, adding TOGA to this mix, means a visit from an engineer to inspect the overspeed, please also bear in mind the limited pitch authority of the A/P to deal with this..
I've found the real issues for departing aircraft come when arriving aircraft don't report issues... You often then get a loss of speed out of the blue!
Nothing I have written should detract you from following your own SOP's/FCOM advice, however our SOP's do allow variation based on the experience of the crew...
Last edited by Cough; 7th October 2012 at 16:57.
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Noise abatement A320
Seeing that you clearly state that the question does not apply to bad weather, wind shear or turbulence I would (if your company allows it) reduce power at 1000 ft AGL. 400 ft may be a bit on the low side in case a distracting situation arrises.
