Ryanair MTOW 66990, HOW???
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Ryanair MTOW 66990, HOW???
Does anybody know how Ryanair registers its aircraft at MTOW of 66,990kgs??
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This is way below what Boeing advertises as possible lowest MTOW of a B738.
RegoSearch | EI-DAC Irish Aircraft Registration Details
This is way below what Boeing advertises as possible lowest MTOW of a B738.
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ryanair have there aircraft running a variable Take Off weight program,
mtows are 66990, 69990, 74990 and can be changed for each sector by engineers or pilots now!! which happen to be the cost brackets for nav charges in lots of countries. I believe Boeing has the mtow as 79ton but I guess the regulators of each state can overide to be safer
mtows are 66990, 69990, 74990 and can be changed for each sector by engineers or pilots now!! which happen to be the cost brackets for nav charges in lots of countries. I believe Boeing has the mtow as 79ton but I guess the regulators of each state can overide to be safer
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It's pretty simple really - they just change the MTOW according to the required load. For example. If the ZFW weight is 58 tonnes and you need 6 tonnes of fuel then you can go 66.9. It's quite common to do a whole 4 sector day at 66.9. Longer trips like UK to Canaries will typically require 74.9. If you need more fuel then you just up the weight to 69.9 or 74.9 as appropriate. Requires a little bit of thought at the crew room stage but its not a big deal and I believe saves the company significant sums.
At the moment only engineers can change the weight placard and the tech log but Captains will soon be authorised to do this.
At the moment only engineers can change the weight placard and the tech log but Captains will soon be authorised to do this.
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It's not uncommon. Many operators declare a restricted TOW below the manufacturers MTOW for commercial purposes as it limits nav and landing charges as stated above, which are based on weight bands rather than type specific.
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Why would it? Just register the plane as having a certain MTOW and a range of flex weights. Those flex weights are used for airway/airport charges only.
We use a similar system for quite a few years now and crews can decide each sector which of the 10 different flex weights they use, of course it is always the lowest possible one. In the near future there will be no crew decision about that anymore, centralized load control will use the lowest possible MTOW for each flight, the crew doesn't need to do a thing. Oh, and i'm not flying for ryan air of course.
We use a similar system for quite a few years now and crews can decide each sector which of the 10 different flex weights they use, of course it is always the lowest possible one. In the near future there will be no crew decision about that anymore, centralized load control will use the lowest possible MTOW for each flight, the crew doesn't need to do a thing. Oh, and i'm not flying for ryan air of course.
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Yes, the registered weight will be the highest of course, and the range of lower flex weights that will be used on the flight. Most of the time one doesn't need the highest weight, just on very few flights so the cost effect is quite large.
Interesting point about the EASA rules changing things.
Interesting point about the EASA rules changing things.
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Hi,
It seems that weight flex is a smart way to reduce navigation charges especially for aircraft operator with huge fleet of short-haul aircraft. I am wondering if the landing charges is based on actual landing weight and not based on the MLW (Maximum Landing Weight).
Is this permissible in the States? It seems beneficial for airlines especially with short-haul aircraft such Southwest.
Regards
That's called a flex weight, so save money on charges based on MTOW.
Is this permissible in the States? It seems beneficial for airlines especially with short-haul aircraft such Southwest.
Regards
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For the most part in the US, landing fees are based on certificated max landing weights. Some airlines have planes with several different MLW to minimize landing fees. But, in EU land, the navigation fees are based on a complicated formula with MTOW only one term, but a major one, so using different weights could save money.
The GLEX has a supplement to use lower MTOW for places like KAPF and KSDL, 75,000 pounds vice 99,500. At SYD, the lower weight implies lower noise, avoiding curfew. Used once!
The GLEX has a supplement to use lower MTOW for places like KAPF and KSDL, 75,000 pounds vice 99,500. At SYD, the lower weight implies lower noise, avoiding curfew. Used once!
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There are places in europe where pilots/ captains are allowed to change the MTOW as well as the MLW... all it takes is the company supplied screwdriver and a signature...
Oleo strut and tyre pressure stays the same all day- fo all weights...
so believe it or not there are places in the old world that are less stringent than the emerald isle...
Oleo strut and tyre pressure stays the same all day- fo all weights...
so believe it or not there are places in the old world that are less stringent than the emerald isle...
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I am wondering if the landing charges is based on actual landing weight and not based on the MLW (Maximum Landing Weight).
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Why do the ANSP's not charge by the actual take off weight? To use the max weight all the time is obviously unfair to the operator, but to change MTOW each time must also be a pain to the operator, at some level.
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