how to handle a rapid decompression over the Pacific ?
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Maybe thats the point. Either you represent the airline industry, which doesnt jive with the safety record, or you and your ilk are being exposed as frauds.
Maybe thats the point. Either you represent the airline industry, which doesnt jive with the safety record, or you and your ilk are being exposed as frauds.
WRH
I'm genuinely curious as to your agenda both here and now also on the Max demonstrated Cross wind thread.
You've had plenty of very informative, accurate and generally polite replies from folks who have had years of hands on experience in the industry and ETOPS ( Spooky, mutt, Galaxy for example). They've provided you with plenty of information, tried to be open with you and yet now you are resorting to accusing people of being "frauds"
Why the attitude?
You've had plenty of very informative, accurate and generally polite replies from folks who have had years of hands on experience in the industry and ETOPS ( Spooky, mutt, Galaxy for example). They've provided you with plenty of information, tried to be open with you and yet now you are resorting to accusing people of being "frauds"
Why the attitude?
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"Exposed as frauds", by whom? You, I think not.
It is you who refuses to post a legitimate reply to what you see as safety or operational discrepancies. The "industry" has developed wonderfully accurate, safe and tested procedures for overwater, not to mention your other hobby horses, that have stood the test of experience. If these are insufficient, in your view, post something positive to improve our procedures. The information posted here is standard, military, airline, corporate, where are our failings?
Using ZFW is an industry standard, pilots don't need to add up each passenger and bag to check the work of dispatch; just as I could spot an error in the load plan climbing the ladder in the C-5. No experienced pilot needs to do manual flight plans. Where there have their been errors, like EK at YMML, it is rare and investigated and corrected.
The record speaks for itself.
GF
It is you who refuses to post a legitimate reply to what you see as safety or operational discrepancies. The "industry" has developed wonderfully accurate, safe and tested procedures for overwater, not to mention your other hobby horses, that have stood the test of experience. If these are insufficient, in your view, post something positive to improve our procedures. The information posted here is standard, military, airline, corporate, where are our failings?
Using ZFW is an industry standard, pilots don't need to add up each passenger and bag to check the work of dispatch; just as I could spot an error in the load plan climbing the ladder in the C-5. No experienced pilot needs to do manual flight plans. Where there have their been errors, like EK at YMML, it is rare and investigated and corrected.
The record speaks for itself.
GF
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'Operational discrepancies?'
Galaxy, every pilot on Earth knows the weight of the passengers on board..how a pilot departing for 6 hours over the ocean wouldn't want to have those numbers is beyond me.
Known ZFW as some type of 'good enough' is beyond silly..because that is taking blind faith that the passenger load is correct, and that it has been correctly added to a correct BEW/BOW...again beyond silly.
Galaxy...this isn't even a debate...
To the other poster that mentioned Mutt's pax numbers of '5'....850lbs is right up with Mutt's modus operandi to plan an airline trip to Hawaii with five passengers to make the fuel limitations..
All this said...well I have learned that this is the Internet...so if you guys are experienced airline captains never looking back into the cabin to get some general idea on what your passenger load is..well then your going to have to take my word for it that I am posting this from the International Space Station. Yes, I am an astronaut...and I will be doing my first space walk, then skydive from orbit into the backyard of the Playboy mansion for a massage.
Fair is fair...if you can dream up who you want to be, then so can I. Good day.
Galaxy, every pilot on Earth knows the weight of the passengers on board..how a pilot departing for 6 hours over the ocean wouldn't want to have those numbers is beyond me.
Known ZFW as some type of 'good enough' is beyond silly..because that is taking blind faith that the passenger load is correct, and that it has been correctly added to a correct BEW/BOW...again beyond silly.
Galaxy...this isn't even a debate...
To the other poster that mentioned Mutt's pax numbers of '5'....850lbs is right up with Mutt's modus operandi to plan an airline trip to Hawaii with five passengers to make the fuel limitations..
All this said...well I have learned that this is the Internet...so if you guys are experienced airline captains never looking back into the cabin to get some general idea on what your passenger load is..well then your going to have to take my word for it that I am posting this from the International Space Station. Yes, I am an astronaut...and I will be doing my first space walk, then skydive from orbit into the backyard of the Playboy mansion for a massage.
Fair is fair...if you can dream up who you want to be, then so can I. Good day.
Yes, I am an astronaut.
Originally Posted by Bill Dana as Astronaut Jose Jimenez
JJ) My name, Jose Jimenez
DH) And you`re the cheif astronaut with the United States Interplantary Expeditionary Force?
JJ) I am the cheif astronaut, with the United States, Interplanetary, (long pause).... My name Jose Jimenez
DH) Mr. Jimenez could you tell us a little about your space suit?
JJ) Yes, it`s very uncomfortable
DH) How much, how much did the space suit cost?
JJ) That eh space suit cost 18,000 dollars
DH) 18,000 dollars?
JJ) Yes
DH) That seems rather expensive.
JJ) Well it has two pair of pants ...So that`s only 9,000 dollars a piece...
DH) I`ve been noticing this, Mr. Jimenez. What is this called, a crash helmet?
JJ) Oh I hope not
DH) And you`re the cheif astronaut with the United States Interplantary Expeditionary Force?
JJ) I am the cheif astronaut, with the United States, Interplanetary, (long pause).... My name Jose Jimenez
DH) Mr. Jimenez could you tell us a little about your space suit?
JJ) Yes, it`s very uncomfortable
DH) How much, how much did the space suit cost?
JJ) That eh space suit cost 18,000 dollars
DH) 18,000 dollars?
JJ) Yes
DH) That seems rather expensive.
JJ) Well it has two pair of pants ...So that`s only 9,000 dollars a piece...
DH) I`ve been noticing this, Mr. Jimenez. What is this called, a crash helmet?
JJ) Oh I hope not
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Anyone with half a brain could have understood it to be an EXAMPLE of what the Perf init input screen looks, like, not the one specific to a flight to Hawai'i. Unfortunately, that requires half a brain more than you seem to have.
And, incidentally, mutt's data had (if I read it correctly) a payload of 26.1 (tonnes, or 1000s of pounds, it hardly matters, it certainly isn't 850lbs/5 pax)
Spooky2, on the other hand, had a payload of 41446. I'm pretty sure his is lbs, so again, a lot more than 5 pax.
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850lbs is right up with Mutt's modus operandi to plan an airline trip to Hawaii with five passengers to make the fuel limitations..
Known ZFW as some type of 'good enough' is beyond silly..because that is taking blind faith that the passenger load is correct, and that it has been correctly added to a correct BEW/BOW...again beyond silly.
In the words of GB Shaw, Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance............
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This guy would be funny if he were not so pathetic. Lets just hope he is in fact nothing more than a wanna be, and he does not actually sit in either the left seat or right seat of an airliner. I think the best solution is to ignore him/her.
