Is your B737-800 Cat C or D?
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FMC coding is done by your database provider based on information received from both your airline and official nav-data sources. I haven't seen that 265B coding yet, but we simply may have different database providers or aircraft performance figures provided by our airlines. Could you give a specific example?
We have two different landing weights, one is slightly over 66t and one is 65.3t. The first one can lead to the interesting situation that the landing weight is higher than the MTOW (which will change every flight according to actual weight).
We have two different landing weights, one is slightly over 66t and one is 65.3t. The first one can lead to the interesting situation that the landing weight is higher than the MTOW (which will change every flight according to actual weight).
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Rhys,
There are dozens of hold templates, which the hold template , location, alt, and speed are a design.
In some cases, your aircraft can be a class C or D, depending on weights.
Are you typically flying into high altitude aerodromes?
You may want to bring this up with your tech people, I have seen plenty of mistakes in coding from suppliers.
There are dozens of hold templates, which the hold template , location, alt, and speed are a design.
In some cases, your aircraft can be a class C or D, depending on weights.
Are you typically flying into high altitude aerodromes?
You may want to bring this up with your tech people, I have seen plenty of mistakes in coding from suppliers.
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ICAO Cat C vs. D
This post may have been answered.....if not,
I am an ICAO pilot and I have gone to the ICAO source document 8168 to provide an answer, I apologies to FAA/JAA operators but I believe the answer is the same.
For certification, the speed dependant table is based on a calculated Vat (Vref) at MAUW and is the higher of 1.3 Vso or 1.23 Vslg (with the landing configuration defined by the manufacturer.)
ICAO then specify the following:
An aircraft must fit into and be operated in accordance with the
requirements of only one category. An aircraft:
(a) may not reduce category because of reduced operating weight; but
(b) must increase category when actual handling speeds are in excess
of those for the category.
Your aircraft will fit into Cat C using the pure calculated certification but Boeing can provide higher Vref speeds due to handling considerations unrelated to Vso or Vslg.
This is allowed (and expected) hence the provision in para (b) if actual Vref puts you in a higher Cat.
If you are wondering about para (a), an operator may specify a permanent reduction in the MAUW for their fleet, allowing their fleet to be permanently certified to use a lower Cat. Para (a) is eluding to this rule, as the change must be permanent and certified.
I am an ICAO pilot and I have gone to the ICAO source document 8168 to provide an answer, I apologies to FAA/JAA operators but I believe the answer is the same.
For certification, the speed dependant table is based on a calculated Vat (Vref) at MAUW and is the higher of 1.3 Vso or 1.23 Vslg (with the landing configuration defined by the manufacturer.)
ICAO then specify the following:
An aircraft must fit into and be operated in accordance with the
requirements of only one category. An aircraft:
(a) may not reduce category because of reduced operating weight; but
(b) must increase category when actual handling speeds are in excess
of those for the category.
Your aircraft will fit into Cat C using the pure calculated certification but Boeing can provide higher Vref speeds due to handling considerations unrelated to Vso or Vslg.
This is allowed (and expected) hence the provision in para (b) if actual Vref puts you in a higher Cat.
If you are wondering about para (a), an operator may specify a permanent reduction in the MAUW for their fleet, allowing their fleet to be permanently certified to use a lower Cat. Para (a) is eluding to this rule, as the change must be permanent and certified.
