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Old 29th Dec 2010, 02:34
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Finally I wonder if Wikileaks is Al-Jazeera in disguise .. ROFL
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Old 29th Dec 2010, 13:03
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Superpilot - See the link in post #73.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 16:27
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Al Jazeera more reliable than CNN? Boeing safety under threat.

On a wing and a prayer - PEOPLE AND POWER - Al Jazeera English
Really Scary....

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Old 31st Dec 2010, 16:35
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Old news... next

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/43681...l-jazeera.html
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 16:36
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The link in Post #1 did not work for me.

This one did get to the story: On a wing and a prayer - PEOPLE AND POWER - Al Jazeera English

The story overstates the effect of loss of some "chords" and "bear straps". Aloha 243 lost quite a few of them and landed safely: AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: Aloha 243

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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:06
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That really IS scary.
I can only hope that the matter HAS been looked into.
The allegations are VERY serious.
My only concern is that the article originates in Al Jazeera.
Is it true? Or just a form of scaremongering? I don't know
for certain.
I just hope that someone does.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:08
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Al Jazeera is a respectable news site. Just because it's Muslim doesn't mean it's incompetent.

But this story was widely discussed on PPRuNe at least a week ago.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:10
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The link in Post #1 did not work for me.
There is an extra http thrown in the first link
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:27
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I don't watch Al-Jazeera. So I am interested to know whether they have ever done any investigative reporting on any of the middle eastern countries? Such as the horrific treatment of third world workers or safety concerns at ME airlines.

Or are they only going after exposures in non-arabic countries ?
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:30
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My only concern is that the article originates in Al Jazeera.
Norm. Shame on you!

Al Jazeera is a very good source of news provided you balance it with a bit a common sense and moderation from other sources. As you should do for any news source.

I listen to it each day driving to and from work. The channel has some very good journalists and manages to identify and report on storeis that seem to elude many other news services. Good coverage of the Mid East where I live but also excellent stuff from elsewhere.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 17:56
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I just watched the documentary and laughed my head off. It sounded like a conspiracy theory.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 21:02
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It sounded like a conspiracy theory.
Exactly.
IE: so much horsepucky.
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Old 31st Dec 2010, 22:52
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Of course it's a conspiracy .. you right

Conspiracy (crime), an agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement

Conspiracy (crime) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 1st Jan 2011, 00:36
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This rather bizarre case is still grinding along.

Here is some recent info: Boeing seeks info in whistleblower suit | Aviation | Wichita Eagle

Based on my experience, the cognizant Boeing personnel who would be involved with managing such issues would be Quality Control types with some technical competence rather than Purchasing types who deal with the administrative tasks. I believe when it is all unwound we will see that the QC system did address the safety and compliance issues satisfactorily, and that there is nothing more than the "normal" manufacturing specification compliance/enforcement that is involved here. It is entirely possible that these Purchasing people do not understand the issue, or have other reasons for investing ten years in what will turn out to be much about nothing.

It is very hard to imagine that plaintiff attorneys could be convinced to invest so much in such a case without learning that they are going to lose.
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FF to 45:50 and wonder.
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This rather bizarre case is still grinding along. Here is some recent info: Boeing seeks info in whistleblower suit | Aviation | Wichita Eagle Based on my experience, the cognizant Boeing personnel who would be involved with managing such issues would be Quality Control types with some technical competence rather than Purchasing types who deal with the administrative tasks. I believe when it is all unwound we will see that the QC system did address the safety and compliance issues satisfactorily, and that there is nothing more than the "normal" manufacturing specification compliance/enforcement that is involved here. It is entirely possible that these Purchasing people do not understand the issue, or have other reasons for investing ten years in what will turn out to be much about nothing. It is very hard to imagine that plaintiff attorneys could be convinced to invest so much in such a case without learning that they are going to lose. Boeings sales grunts will do what ever is necessary to maintain their jobs and their belief that they are God's gift to the corporate world. Boeings lawyers will do whatever is necessary to perpetuate billable hours to maintain their ascendancy in their firm's hierarchy. Their only interest is money in their pockets. Clients are their marks to milk.
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Old 1st Jan 2011, 15:18
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Ignoring the fact that Al Jazerra is involved, if one reads the Boeing Internal Audit Report ;

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems...t_21,_2000.pdf

there should be some serious questions about the Quality Control procedures
(or lack thereof) that allowed problems to escalate to this situation. Especially read pages 2 and 5 of the report , e.g. regarding tooling, the hammer forming of parts and other unacceptable practices. Fasteners require hole diameters to tolerance, hard to achieve with components manufactured under those circumstances.

Pretty unbelievable, what else gets hushed up ?
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Old 1st Jan 2011, 21:35
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The Last Inspector - Boeing Fraud & FAA Fraud Risking Safety

What is it with all these Americans with anti-Boeing agendas, that all seem to major in "horsepucky"?
And do notice that they are all solid American "malcontents" involved in these obviously totally unfounded speculations and accusations - as if Boeing would ever pull stunts like that so they could knock out aircraft faster and cheaper.

I mean we all know Michael O'Leary paid top dollar for his NGs!!

I reckon myself that they must be commie sleepers! There is no other sensible explanation.
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Old 2nd Jan 2011, 12:56
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I reckon myself that they must be commie sleepers! There is no other sensible explanation.
Tut, play the ball not the man!


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Old 2nd Jan 2011, 15:58
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A Little History

Doubters of the behaviour of Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas or whatever they´re calling themselves this year might like to obtain a copy of "Destination Disaster-The Rise and Fall of the DC-10" or carry out appropriate web research.

There they will discover evidence of the (alleged) falsification of factory records relating to modification of the DC10s cargo door latching systems, 1 airframe being the March 1974 THY disaster at Ermenonville out of Paris CDG killing hundreds.

Then go to bed and take your flight tomorrow, either as SLF or crew, safe in the knowledge that it could never happen again nor does big business behave in this apalling manner.

I seem to recall the early 747s were guilty of trying to fall apart at the junction of the fat bit at the front and the rest of the fuselage aft of frame#wotever.

Deja vu springs to mind as we try to pretend the "Titanic" will never happen again because we have the "procedures, quality systems, structures, supervisory processes etc" and a plethora of managementspeak bollox to prevent disaster.

Ultimately it´s the beancounters and the "bottom line" wallahs who reign supreme over safety. The NG issue sounds like the next episode of "The Tombstone Imperative", whether or not we can sleep easy with that thought!
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