Logbook entries for second Captain in heavy crew ops, JAA, CASA, FAA??
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JAR:
1. When you are relieving the Commander, you can write it in PIC. If you are in a pilot seat & the commander is also in a pilot seat you write it as Co-pilot time.
2. Augmented crew:
- if you are commander of the flight: log all block time (even if not at the controls)
- if you are any other position: only log time at the controls
Note: there can only be 1 commander on a flight, but there can be 2 captains.
1. When you are relieving the Commander, you can write it in PIC. If you are in a pilot seat & the commander is also in a pilot seat you write it as Co-pilot time.
2. Augmented crew:
- if you are commander of the flight: log all block time (even if not at the controls)
- if you are any other position: only log time at the controls
Note: there can only be 1 commander on a flight, but there can be 2 captains.
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FAA-
I log the entire duration of every flight as SIC (second in command).
If I was not in one of the front two seats for takeoff and landing, I also log the entire duration as IRO (International relief officer). If I was in one of the front two seats for takeoff and landing, I leave the IRO column blank.
I'll never log PIC for any portion of the flight unless I'm a captain and have personally signed the flight release and aircraft logbook (meaning there can only be one on any flight). I'm aware of the arguments which contradict this practice, but choose to take the conservative approach.
This way, I can easily separate the time I spent on IRO/relief duty if I ever need to do so but it still counts toward my total time and SIC time for purposes of pay, experience, and flight time limit considerations.
You never know what a particular company or government agency is going to require you to report or omit in the future. In my opinion, the most important practice is to keep a record of which flights you acted as IRO and which filghts you didn't so that you can separate them in the future if need be.
I log the entire duration of every flight as SIC (second in command).
If I was not in one of the front two seats for takeoff and landing, I also log the entire duration as IRO (International relief officer). If I was in one of the front two seats for takeoff and landing, I leave the IRO column blank.
I'll never log PIC for any portion of the flight unless I'm a captain and have personally signed the flight release and aircraft logbook (meaning there can only be one on any flight). I'm aware of the arguments which contradict this practice, but choose to take the conservative approach.
This way, I can easily separate the time I spent on IRO/relief duty if I ever need to do so but it still counts toward my total time and SIC time for purposes of pay, experience, and flight time limit considerations.
You never know what a particular company or government agency is going to require you to report or omit in the future. In my opinion, the most important practice is to keep a record of which flights you acted as IRO and which filghts you didn't so that you can separate them in the future if need be.
